Wednesday, February 9, 2011

O_o

The news here is not that The Special One wants to manage in one of America's coastal megalopolises one day, but that a whopping 30% of those voting in the poll on that page thus far actually believe Mourinho would not "fit in MLS" - huh?

I'd love for any of those "no" voters to come here and explain the reasoning. I will even offer a full post if you have such a grand inclination for explanation.

Don't be shy, now; I really would like to hear some of these rationales.


- Greg Seltzer

27 comments:

Joseph said...

LOL... well I voted no cuz basically no likes somebody that has the rational of.. oh, im going to move to Malibu.. and i guess ill coach the Galaxy in my spare time...if i feel like.. seriously? If you come to coach.. you come to coach. Not to just retire in the Malibu sun, pulling the Galaxy with you. An unmotivated coach= disaster.

Greg Seltzer said...

I didn't take it that way.

I took it as 1) he wants to coach in MLS in about xx years & 2) in America, he'd want to be in NYC or LA.

I can't see a problem with factoring in the city when considering a club job. Players do it all the time. Anyone would.

Alex Larsen said...

I say we give him Chivas and see how he does.

Lawrence said...

I am not sure how he would be, but I would be hesitant to jump on the "yes" wagon.

Part of me seems to think that he is a great coach that can get a lot out of his team. But I think it would be tougher for him because he cannot buy whatever player he wants. Not only can he not outbuy most other teams (Porto, Chelsea, Inter, RM), but acquiring players is not as easy and just purchasing or loaning for awhile.

I think this would be a problem for Mourinho because he likes certain types of players for certain positions to play the way he wants to play. A lot of time in MLS you have to do with what you got. The draft system works against unadaptability. If your the 3rd pick, and those players are mostly 2 way midfielders and there are lesser quality players but serve your need (FW, Left back, etc), you probaby have to get the best player you can (2-way midfielder). If you get a great player... the one you can build around for years to come.. they are sold to a bigger league (Edu, Altidore, Bradley, Kljestan, etc).

I think Mourinho is obviously a good coach, and could do a good job in MLS. But honestly I may vote "NO" just out of spite in the fact that he is overrated (not as much as Klinsmann) and MLS doesn't operate the way europe (especially giant clubs) do.

My point is basically that it is hard for any coach to appear in the same light when coaching in MLS compared to always managing sides like Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid.

Greg Seltzer said...

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume he'd win them a title. And that Chivas USA fans peed a little when they read your comment.

Lawrence said...

If you cloned Bruce Arena, and he was fortunate enough to get connected and coach at Porto (with all those players destined for top euro clubs), Chelsea, Inter Milan, and Real Madrid

people would be all over his --- oh we got to get this guy to coach our national team, yada yada yada he is one of the top coaches in the world, etc.

Greg Seltzer said...

1 - We DID have Bruce Arena as our NT coach with his own trajectory.

2 - There is no coach alive that does the amount of incisive prep work or insists his way to silver like this guy. If he came to MLS, I cannot imagine he'd be one to phone it in or la-dee-da his way about it. He's won big everywhere he's been, including some of the most pressure packed jobs in the world. I am pretty certain he can navigate MLS successfully, as well.

Lawrence said...

He, if he could win a title with Gerson Mayen, Sal Zizzo, Blair Gavin, Zarek Valentin, Bryan de la Fuente, Tristan Bowen, Jorge Flores and Ben Zemanski

that would be huge for out national team prospects!

Lawrence said...

I'm saying people would talk about Arena like he'd have us a place in the final. (I'm saying this in the hypothetical that he served in the posts that Mourihno did and we hadn't seen him b4).

I am not saying he wouldn't be successful, nor would he not be able to navigate MLS. But even if you can navigate MLS, it still doesn't mean you're going to get the players you want for the type of team you want.

I'm sure he did a lot of work this season, but that didn't help him in his Osasuna, or his 5-0 thumping to Real Madrid. My point is not everything he touches is gold (what I want to tell my portuguese in-laws who think he is the second coming of Jesus), and he is not SO good that he'll be successful every time.

Think about the lack of depth, the congested schedule, the inflexability of acquiring players, the struggle to keep quality players for the long run, the way MLS helps your opponents (teams that didn't do well) by higher draft picks and higher rank in player lottery and returning player allocations, the wacky refereeing, and more...

Then again I'm sure he would have a much easier time attracting players from SA/CA leagues or older players who would like to play under him.

But still, you gotta see some of my points, that MLS basically makes it harder for the better coaches by all of its parity mechanisms.

I also don't know if he'd last very long because I'm not sure he'd be happy with how little attention he would get here (particularly by the media). BUT I would love to see him come here and see how it worked out, regarding the media. I bet he could speak spanish to all of the Telefutura/Galavision/Telemundo and stir up a buzz in the cult following of converted/more recent soccer fans.

jon said...

I think he would do quite well. First of all, that report suggests 10-15 years from now and Grant Wahl said something about JM maybe wanting to come here when his kids are in college in the US (so ~5-10 years from now). Either way, the quality in MLS is on a nice trajectory and it will be much better by the time he arrives. Secondly, the guy loves a challenge and coaching with a chip on his shoulder. So of course he'd be frustrated at not having the best players in the world at his disposal, but I think he would relish the challenge while bringing up the level of play in MLS.

carrschilling said...

If you were 19-24 with loads of talent but hadn't made it to a big club/big league would you want to play for a team that Mourinho coached ? I imagine he'd be able to get the most out of the limited budgets each team has. And we all recognize that MLS is always willing to bend the rules to accommodate NY and LA.

Mark said...

i said no. i think with MLS salary cap restrictions and constraints he'd have a difficult time getting HIS guys. he is a coach that likes to have certain players or types of players and i don't think getting them through the superdraft or supplemental draft would suit him as he could only acquire so many dps. i'd be a little more willing to say yes it'd work IF he had a good assistant like paul marriner like aron winter does. i wouldn't say that he would be bad for the league. he would bring it LOADS of publicity with a move, but i just don't think its realistic. look at the types of players he's brought into his teams in the past. it's just not possible to get those types to MLS. would he be somewhat successful yes. i'd say his teams would make the playoffs because he is very thorough in his prep and does demand and gets a lot from his players. i'd be much more interested in a manager like pelligrini

over there said...

I think Mourinho has a tactical approach perfectly suited to MLS and the players in the league. I think he would be a tremendous success if he watned to be.

However, I have trouble seeing Mourinho having the patience to deal with the foibles and the handcuffs that come with MLS as it is configured now. Going from clubs with transfer budgets larger than the GDP of small European countries to having your cover at left back quit to go to medical school because he was getting paid less than an assistant manager at McDonalds would be sure to frustrate a manager of that stature and character beyond belief. Jose Mourinho could succeed at anything he wants to in the world of soccer. I just think he would tire (quicker than Ruud did) with the Super Draft, allocation money, the discovery process, shitty refs, coach air travel and all the other things that make MLS so different and "special."

Greg Seltzer said...

Yes, MLS has its own "special" set of manager headaches... but I'm reasonably sure Mourinho already knows this. I'm sure he considers it that challenge he's mentioned.

dikranovich said...

who really cares. most americans dont like him anyway. he may be respected for his accomplishments, but really name a european coach that came to mls and has been successful? thats a european coach like fellow portuguese and man u assistant carlos qball queroiz. and jose would have a great excuse for not doing well in MLS, it would not be his fault, he would blame the system or something like that. if us soccer is going to hire the "special one", wouldnt it be for the ntional team spot. i say make jose an assistant to mike sorber and it might just work out.

Greg Seltzer said...

European coaches in America?

How 'bout Sigi, Preki, Nowak and Bakke?

Greg Seltzer said...

Oh... and when has Mourinho had much need to make excuses?

Jay said...

Oh come on now. Sigi is about as German as spaetzle-I-mean-macaroni-and-cheese. Have you heard the man talk? If I'm not mistaken, he moved to California when he was ten. Preki and Nowak were involved as players before they moved into management. Bakke is the only one you mentioned to show any signs of success straight out of the gate.

Now I'm willing to believe that Momo can have some success here, but I have some reservations. The draft system? We've seen plenty of head coaches throw draft picks around for allocation money and international slots, and I can see Boy Friday doing that as a matter of policy.

I'm less willing to believe that American players will be so enamored of him as a coach, however. He's a very public coach, and that's not really something that gets seen here. I imagine there'd be a honeymoon period between him and the players, but that he'd pretty quickly start to rub folks the wrong way.

Greg Seltzer said...

Sorry, buddy, I just cannot vibe with any of that. I think it'll be very fun and that he will win - because that's what happens when he goes anywhere. And saying that he'll rub some people the wrong way only makes it MORE fun. :D

dikranovich said...

guus hiddink strikes me as an international coach who would fit in well with mls. the big brasilian, scolari, he is not a bad coach, but he just did not fit in with chelsea. it, probably like anything comes down to the right situation. mourinho has put himself into good situations thus far in his career.

dikranovich said...

did mourinho win the champions league with chelsea?

Jay said...

None of it? Not even Sigi-as-macaroni-and-cheese? I thought that was a pretty good analogy...

Greg Seltzer said...

Well, yeah, that was deluxe... but I don't necessarily agree that you can simply de-Euro-fy him so easily.

Jay said...

My point with that was that Sigi has been teaching soccer to Americans his entire adult life. He can't be singled out as being a big name coach flown in from the old country to show us plodding slobbering yanks what True Football is.

Hans Bakke comes closest to it, but 1) he's only had one season, and it was built with caffeinated advertising money and 2) he's clearly not the glamor coach that Zenga, Gullit or Parreira were. Frankly, I see a lot of glamor in Mourinho.

Actually, if I were going to harp on a foreign coach, I'd bring up Gary Smith. He's working on his third season and has a Cup to his name. Note: also not a glamorous coach.

Greg Seltzer said...

Okay, well now it just seems like you are anti-glamour.

And I doubt Mourinho imagines he has to do the teach the American slobs thing. He's not dumb.

Jay said...

Not anti-glamor, just glamor-resistant. I'm very open to someone coming in to spruce the place up, and I'm certainly not sold on history being a solid indicator of future results... but it does lead one to take pause.

Sean O'Conor said...

Too risky when the 'Special One' has an image and narrative to maintain. Until MLS clubs get the freedom to buy, loan and sell players European clubs enjoy...