Monday, January 2, 2012

The Chapter After

For those who always find themselves wondering what happens after the credits roll, a three-pronged update on our whackadoo KNVB Cup soap opera:

  • The idiot who made this all possible has been sentenced to six months in jail, four to serve, two suspended for two years.
  • Ajax have accepted the penalties, albeit in protest. Without saying so, they do not like the game re-do/AZ free skate, but there will be no appeals.
  • However, KNVB, not so fast with those gate receipts. Ajax supporters groups have joined to hire a lawyer and have taken this no refund matter to court, confident of a judgment in their favor (as if Ajacied do anything any other way). Chairman of all supporters, Daniël Dekker, argues quite correctly to De Telegraaf: "The supporters have factually been punished twice in this pronouncement."



- Greg Seltzer

21 comments:

Jack Savidge said...

Not that I'm an Ajax fan but wouldn't a more equitable decision be to restart the game at the moment of the incident on the clock without the red card.

Greg Seltzer said...

You're preaching to the choir, Jack.

dikranovich said...

but out here in the pews, we see the restart as punishment for the infraction and not to over the top. as we said before, the ruling could have been an outright forfeiture of the game.

Greg Seltzer said...

I think we have your stance on record now.

Greg Seltzer said...

Oh... and let's not pretend you speak for everyone who isn't me.

dikranovich said...

id say about 90% of field invasions are harmless pranks. my all time favorite is from euro 04 when a barcelona fan ran onto the pitch and tossed a barca jersey right in figos face. classic. then the guy did a face plant into the goal

i do find it a little disingenuous that ajax is acting like this fan is such a lone gunman. he was at the game with friends and more than likely, he made his intentions known and he was probably cheered on as he entered the pitch.

Greg Seltzer said...

Okay, look... we're not doing this. It annoys others and we went through it plenty. Besides, you're consistently attempting to bend reality on the details and we just don't do that here.

And for you to throw the disingenuous card on Ajax commentary after the mechanics of this outcome, well... in the immortal words of George Oscar Bluth, Jr.: C'MON!!

If you have something new to say, feel free to continue. If it's still hammering the same innuendos and false assertions, let's just stop here. For everyone's sake. Please. Thank you.

dikranovich said...

i thought i was providing new insight, and you are harping on some details which you have no more knowledge of than i do. eg: did this guy attend the game alone or was he with friends?

greg, im sorry, maybe you dont want anyone to disagree with you and just take your word and points as gospel. thats the way they try and do it at TSG.

Greg Seltzer said...

Seriously, man? You continually attempt to imply or assert off no basis the guy was an Ajax supporter. You already called me a liar for factually correcting you that Almere is not an Amsterdam suburb. I could go on.

The police already announced the guy was scored a season card by his dad. They already announced he was drunk, being goaded and bet to do it by someone with him. We covered all this.

And for some bizarre reason, you're feverishly intent on I don't even know what, facts be damned. I'm not attempting to speak as a we. I don't ask or need anyone to agree with me. I'm not speaking exclusively on word by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, I feel somewhat safe guessing at this point that my view of this situation is a wee bit closer than yours... did I mention you repeatedly pretended I was lying to everyone by stating correctly that Almere is not an Amsterdam suburb?

Oh... and if you think somehow the general ArenA crowd, let alone the sections full of families with kids and disabled people, would ever cheer on for someone to invade the pitch to disrupt an Ajax match (not to mention one they're winning), it's pure imagination. Seventy percent of that average sellout crowd is overly docile and 100% of it have been cursing this guy ever since.

It's done. You got the penalty you think is fair. Be happy.

dikranovich said...

ok, but i never called you a liar.

Jay said...

Good for the supporter groups. KNVB has boned this.

dikranovich said...

its funny greg, but by aserting that ajax fans would not cheers or encourage a pitch invader, this is in a sense an admission of guilt and acknowledgement that a penalty was warranted.

dikranovich said...

i love the comments from the AZ tech director. "our players did not feel safe on the field" except of course jozy altidore. this was from earnest stewart. you can call him earnie, or big earn. i sure hope altidore does the business on ajax next time out.

Greg Seltzer said...

(sigh)

That's all fine and dandy, but AZ have not won in Amsterdam since Earnie was a kid.

Besides, the worst conceivable thing that could happen to AZ is winning that replay three days before the league meeting.

We agree on something, finally. I also hope Jozy scores six goals on the 19th and AZ get their little cup victory. Fingers crossed.

dikranovich said...

greg, is it true that feynoord fans can not attend ajax arena and vis e verse?

Greg Seltzer said...

Yes, they're lust past the middle point of a five-year ban on traveling to each others' stadium.

Greg Seltzer said...

just* (not lust)

dikranovich said...

i understand, its a blood lust. its a lot like juarez being a subdivision of el paso. jk greg.

Greg Seltzer said...

I've been to El Paso and Ciadad de Juarez - those cities are laced up like a pair of shoes. Not even remotely close to this situation.

dikranovich said...

lol

dikranovich said...

you are pretty damn funny greg. please, just never bar me from posting here, thank you.