Friday, March 2, 2012

A quick alert

Due to circumstances we'll discuss soon enough, my US player ratings are belated. But they do exist.

FYI: Don't feel shunned if I don't reply to comment questions in short order. I will be headed back to my pillow shortly, been dreaming about that moment all day. I'm not entirely sure people were meant to take off and land somewhere else far way twice in a row, twice within three days. Or maybe it's just me and I'm a fly-wuss.

- Greg Seltzer


Unknown said...

most accurate player ratings i've seen, for any game, in quite some time. well done

Greg Seltzer said...

Wow... grazie.

dikranovich said...

cut to the chase greg. whats higher 6.5 over 77 min or 8.0 over 13?

Greg Seltzer said...

I'm tempted to tell you to Try again, as it was a simple request.

Because I'm hungry and thus do not have time for a big tail chase, I'll do you a solid this time:

"greg, the people have spoken at your rating for johnson was met with deep skepticism. and the people at that site reading your rating are not privy to our conversations here.

so, is a 6.5 over 77 minutes, is that equal to or less than an 8.0 over 13 minutes, in your time weighted rating system?"


#1 - I am well aware that many people don't agree with me, they didn't agree with me in the press box. Now ask me if that matters one iota to me when I am paid to call it as I see it? Everyone can disagree with me if they please and I am totally okay with it. I'm here to offer my take, so that's the one I'm serving.

#2 - My system is only "time-weighted" in so much that playing longer gives one more time to do stuff and more impact on the game as a whole. Seems rather logical to me, maybe I'm insane.

As to your question, I don't have a written scale or anything, but if pressed (too late) I would probably say these two cases are somewhat close to the same level in the realm of contribution to victory, but with Johnson's grade better. If we magically take away Johnson's ball to Jozy on the goal play, they'd be about even in positive game impact versus negative game impact ratio.

I hope that explains it well enough. At least for me to go eat foods.

dikranovich said...

no, it does not explain it well enough, but junior is going on, so, ill be back.

dikranovich said...

greg, my problem is that we specifically discussed fabian johnson and what position he should be playing, before the game even took place. your opinions are on record and it just makes your rating for johnson look funny.

the rating looks funny without reading your pre game johnson comments, but when you have the whole back story, it really makes the rating look contrived.

Greg Seltzer said...

How so exactly? I gave the guy a slightly above average rating for what I saw as a slightly above average 77 minutes, regardless of the fact I think he belongs on the wing.

Feel free to explain how any of it is "funny" or "looks contrived" - Johnson was getting toasted repeatedly in the opening half hour and it could have cost us. My negative marks don't get erased when he later does well. It's all factored in when the game ends.

Frankly, I think everyone else's effusive praise is excessive because he's the next grand idea to a problem that makes people crazy. If Heath Pearce or Jonathan Bornstein had put in the same exact performance, all these same people would be insisting they were horrible.

dikranovich said...


dikranovich said...

it sounds like you are saying johnson and spector had the same positive impact to negative ratio, this is minus the johnson offense on the loan goal, yet spector gets an 8 and fabian gets a 6.5.

now i believe you gave johnson a 6.5 and that number includes his contribution to the goal, but spector gets an 8 and you are saying they had the same ratio. what gives?

will you cring a little less next time fabian johnson is deployed at the lb position?

Greg Seltzer said...

Noooooo, I said Johnson's was higher by about the margin of his contribution to the goal. I can only grade a player for the amount of time he's on the field.

Will I cringe? I don't know the circumstances yet, so let's jump off that bridge when we get to it.

By the way, you do realize all I'm really saying is that Johnson is much more effective as a winger than he is as a wingback, a take anyone who has watched him play in the Bundesliga this season would have a hard time refuting. I'm not saying he's no good.

dikranovich said...

and we realize that when you say he is more effective as a winger in the bundas league, you are talking about hoffenheim, a mid table team, they do not have the talent at hoffenheim that the us mens team has.

greg, i guess it just hurts a little that you are trying to devalue johnsons contribution, after we had this debate before the game even took place.

it hurts you to much to admit fabian johnson was a bright spot, and that hurts me, as a fan of the us mens team.

Greg Seltzer said...

He is better as a winger in any setting. He was better as a winger in his previous two US caps. This is hardly a stray opinion without mounds of evidence.

Lemme tell ya, bub, you exist in a world of delusion with the fully unsupported claims and accusations you make, which apparently are true just because you definitively declare them so while you snap at me. In reality, Hoffenheim has oodles of talent, I have no issue admitting when I'm wrong and I certainly do not try to devalue anyone, let alone to make myself feel better about a debate with you.

If you want to believe that Johnson was a "bright spot" then go ahead. I'm not trying to bash your assessment, I just think Cherundolo, Bocanegra, Howard, Goodson, Edu, Bradley, Dempsey and Altidore were better on the night, several of them quite clearly so.

dikranovich said...

im gonna let you off the hook for that lame ass johnson rating, but only this time greg. it was a heated debate, which ultimately was won by the people who said johnson would infact play left back. same people that said usa would play a 4-5-1, but anyway.

im still waiting for the final answer on the dempsey goal from the FA. why cant we just get an MLS official in here to answer some of these pressing questions?

Greg Seltzer said...

Is there sky in your world? And by that, I mean the blue thing up in the air, not the UK channel that shows soccer.

Brant said...

Greg my only question would be, should we give Johnson another run out at wingback, the reason I ask this is simple, Dolo can't play forever, and isn't it in our best interest to get the best players on the field?

Also any idea if Whitbread will ever get a call to the national team, I am a lifelong Norwich City fan, with family in Norwich, and he has put in some very impressive performances this season when healthy.