Thursday, May 31, 2012

Make it nasty?

The U.S. was certainly unlucky and could have had some more calls go its way against Brazil. Jurgen Klinsmann is not treading so lightly, though, and has basically made a call to more gamesmanship.


I'm not so sure how I feel about it. We've all seen the team being taken advantage of before, but I've always taken pride in the relative lack of BS present in our team.


That's just me, see for yourself.




- Jacob Klinger

22 comments:

brian said...

play like a big club (team) if you want that same respect!

LReszetar said...

Fiesty Klinsi! I'm cool with it. I've always thought we were two deferential to bad calls and divers. The other thing I'd like to see, and I remember Wynalda was great at this, is to keep ratcheting up guys on the other side with a short fuse. Players like Marcelo, de Jong, Ramos, Balotelli, Rooney all play with an edge and can easily be pushed beyond it. The mental part of the game is just as important. Get inside their head and make them a liability as much as an asset.

dikranovich said...

wynalda was great at what? wasnt it wynalda who picked up a straight red in the first game of the 90 world cup, because he was trying to get under the czechs skin.

LReszetar said...

Oohhh...yeah, well there's that. But at least it was later in the game and we were already down. (Trying to find justification, but admittedly grasping at straws.) Maybe Wylanda isn't the perfect person, but there are guys that seem to enjoy the mental games and get people to blow their tops. I think we could use a little of that.

Jacob Klinger said...

Dempsey's one for that sort of thing. I just don't want to see the toe-stepping BS.

Wideboy said...

I think there is a FINE line between sending a message and hurting someone on purpose. Sort of like in tackle football when a good hit makes a wr and/or rb think twice about going into a certain area as opposed to the type of hits the NO Saints were using to try and take players out of the game.

On the other hand, look at what happen to us when we played The Netherlands in the run-up to the last WC. DeJong takes out Holden and our players did nothing. We needed someone like Jones out there to send a message to DeJong after that. But instead, our guys did nothing and we have not had Holden back since that time.

Jacob Klinger said...

You can look at what Boca did to Scott Brown the other night and smile nice and wide. I'm not really concerned with a lack of enforcers in our team. The guys are there.

I just really don't want any dirty or petulant players creeping into the team. Like if Jones pulls any of the same crap he did to Reus I'll flip.

dikranovich said...

Yak, I'm sorry but when you say reus, you don't mean that little Arian youth that used to play with junior at BMG, do you?

Greg Seltzer said...

There's no reason to say such nasty things about Reus. We don't do that here.

Wideboy said...

Maybe JK is talking about the "nasty" kind of play that knocked Brazil out of the 2010 WC. The Netherlands had 4 yellow cards in that game (incl one for DeJong), and later Brazil went down to 10 men when Melo got a straight red. I can't remember why he got the red, but it may have been due to his response from "nasty" tactics that roughed up his side for most of the match.

LReszetar said...

Jacob - Deuce is a solid example.
Steve Davis put it best is saying that Klinsi is looking for players to "meet gamesmanship, bite and aggression with gamesmanship, bite and aggression." I don't want a hockey-like enforcer, which sometimes Jones takes on, but less deference to the opposing side and bad calls.

Wideboy said...

Ok one more crack at it using the NFL as an example. NFL team "A" would not play the Ravens the same way the would play a Peyton-led Colt team. The Ravens are "nasty" (not dirty) and a team must push back hard against them or get run over. Now I'm done lol...

Jacob Klinger said...

Haha, I got you. I really don't think this team is soft. The whole ref-crowding bit was somewhat troubling, but as far as the physical aspect of the game goes, yeah, all sounds about right.

dikranovich said...

jacob, could you please post a video of the jj/reus incident? i think it would be nice to have a little context, if we are really going to discuss what gamesmenship is all about.

Juan from Tacoma, WA said...

I think Klinsi meant not to have too much respect esp a team as talented as the Olympic Brazil team. We did and we pay dearly. If you frustrate Brazil, you have chance and esp. when you are not as talented. That's what the 90s generation of US had when they beat the same and even better Brazil squad of Romario in the Gold Cup. Grit and toughness. I didn't see that yesterday.

Bryan said...

I probably speak for quite a few people when I say dikranovich is killing this site.

Sigh.

dikranovich said...

a lot of people forget that the first ever game in MLS history was played between san jose, whatever their nickname was then, and dc united. san jose won the game 1-nil and the game winner was hit by eric whinealda, but the first MLS cup was lifted by, john harkes and dc united.

id reference bob marley again, but it would not be so fresh two times in three days. i might start throwing bounty killer quotes out there if you guys dont watch out

Jacob Klinger said...

For what it's worth, the Jones incident in question ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txCPMVrBn74

Now keep in mind that it was well known that Reus had an injured foot before this game.

This ^ I do not want.

Jacob Klinger said...

And here's a little backlash from Klinsmann's recent comments:

http://blog.chron.com/soccer/2012/05/klinsmann-shows-ignorance-of-american-culture/

Not endorsing, just sharing.

dikranovich said...

jacob, thank you for providing the context. your video is helpful and clearly shows the official awarding a free kick to schalke. in fact jermaine jones is about to take the free kick when reus swoops in and picks up the ball. this is after the official has awarded schalke the kick.

a little subtext would be helpful here and that is the fact that BMG was winning this game 3-1, thanks to a couple of goals from the guy with the sore foot.

reus is clearly time waisting, that can not be debateable, or can it? whats jones suppose to do, say excuse me marcos, but the ref made the call, so would you please give me the ball back.

so jones goes after the ball and as he runs around reus backside, he is shoulder to shoulder with reus and the other schalke player is also vying for the ball, which is finally released by reus.

when they show the replay in slow motion, it sure looks like as jermaine brings his foot down on reus, at this moment, german tv slows the replay down even further.

when you watch it at full speed, it is almost as if jermaine is going for the ball, reus gives him a shoulder and jones brings his foot down on reus, just as if he is trying to keep his balance. anyone can believe it was intentionally, but some pretty smart people might also feel that jermaine was not showing malice.

besides this, number seven for schalke also brings his feet down on reus as he too is going for the ball.

and the last bit of back story. reus is borussa dortmond, which only happen to be schalkes biggest rival

Misael Garcia said...

Yea dikranovich is horrible

Jacob Klinger said...

@dikranovich

No problem on the video, but I think you're looking at a different one.

Seriously man, the ball is in Raul's hand when Jones looks down at Reus's left foot and stomps on it. Jones had already swatted the ball out of his hands at that point, hence Raul had it.

That last part, I am OK with. Yes, Reus was time-wasting and complaining. That is, in fact, lame.

But I don't care that Reus plays for Dortmund. I don't care that he's one of Germany's golden boys and I certainly don't want that kind of behavior in the US national team.

Bugs me enough that one of our players did it in any jersey.