Sunday, August 12, 2012

From what I understand, it is both on AND poppin'.

So who's ready for an El Tri "friendly"? These 22 cats had better be.


G - Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

D - Matt Besler (Sporting KC), Steven Beitashour (San Jose), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Edgar Castillo (Tijuana), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim)

M - Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Tijuana), Maurice Edu (Rangers), Jermaine Jones (Schalke), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting Kansas City)

A - DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Landon Donovan (LA Galaxy), Herculez Gomez (Santos), Brek Shea (FC Dallas), Chris Wondolowski (San Jose)





- Greg Seltzer

47 comments:

Jolazo said...

Over/under 5 goals for Mexico?

Hey Beithasour, welcome to the USMNT. Now go start at RB in Azteca in your very first game.

At least we brought more than one winger this time.

Greg Seltzer said...

Yeah, looks like Klinsi is playing extra nice this time with most of the Euro-coaches.

BradUS06 said...

I am still mystified as to why Klinsmann always has to have at least 4 defensive mids. Edu, Beckerman, Jones, Williams, they all play the same position. This has got to be the most frustrating complaint about his roster selections. In addition, does anyone think Beckerman and Torres are overrated? Beckerman is the least capable of all 4 selected, and Torres is a less skilled attacking mid who is always put on the wing. I will say I am happy that Beasley is back, as his form and his natural left wing position bring a certain solidarity to the position. Speaking of left wings, Shea's call up, while undeserved, will bring back some of his confidence. I am most excited to see what Corona, Boyd and Cameron do.

Greg Seltzer said...

I'd say Beckerman, Edu and Williams are #6 defensive midfielders, while Jones is a #8 two-way midfielder. There's no way we can leave Jones to protect the defense, he wanders too much.

Jolazo said...

Speaking of RB, any chance we see Danny Williams play there?

Greg Seltzer said...

I sure as hell hope not.

Will Parchman said...

That midfield is just... dammit.

Jacob Klinger said...

Really? It's nothing special but I think the following could do something. Not like we're going to have the run of play at Mt. Doom anyway.

Beasley-----Torres--------Donovan
------Williams-----Jones---------

dikranovich said...

yak, nice midfield, but this might be the game coach klinsmann sticks jones or even williams at center back. i guess orozco fiscal does know these players though.

word on the street is that chandler has cold feet. its good to get it out of the way now and really out of johnson, chandler, and boyd, chandler is the player id rate least, and he is at a position of depth.

this should give beithisour a nice boost of confidence, knowing that the position of rb is up for grabs.

Jacob Klinger said...

I wouldn't really call right back a position of depth. I mean Cherundolo's solid now, but beyond that we have Lichaj not a ton of cause for celebration. Maybe Beitashour changes that a little, still, Chandler can play LB too and we all know that story.

Greg Seltzer said...

Don't start that mess, Jacob! Lichaj is far better at left back than Chandler. In fact, he's the best righty we have to play actual defense at left back.

dikranovich said...

lets just agree that chandler did not hold true to his word and everyone should feel a bit of relief and liberation and we should move on. fabian johnson can play right back too.

Greg Seltzer said...

Why precisely should we all agree to that? Have you spoken to Chandler?

I won't even touch the other comment.

dikranovich said...

greg, my peeps have passed the word down. chandler is a no go. go on, think fandango and the parachuting scene. marvell wynne would bleed for his country, ill take him in a second over timmy "cant handle her" chandler.

Jacob Klinger said...

Oh, I like Lichaj. I meant to say "... we have Lichaj and not a ton of cause for celebration." If I had to choose one of our outside backs to clone it would certainly be Lichaj.

I will stay out of the "peeps" discussion as I don't have any.

Paul Poenicke said...

Greg, the following story was posted on another website as evidence for Chandler's determined preference towards a Germany call-up:

http://www.nordbayern.de/nuernberger-nachrichten/nn-sport/timothy-chandler-hofft-auf-jogi-lows-anruf-1.2250798

Your thoughts?

My poor German, aided by Google translate, leads me to think Chandler will wait for a good while before committing to the US. I'll partially agree with dikranovich: if Chandler won't agree to playing in the hexagonal, Klinsmann should not figure Chandler into his plans for 2014.

dikranovich said...

paul, id like for my stance to be clear. coach klinsmann needs to send a strong message with this case. usa national team is not for showcasing talent for other countries.

it is simple, chandler, you are out, the usa is no longer a choice for you. lets not kid ourselves. preston zimmerman aint the only player that feel the way he does.

we will continue crippling the mentality of our homegrown players if we go this route of gifting players into the system, and intent is a factor with regards to this. fabian johnson announced his intent when he filed a one time switch.

chandler is not at fault here either. the system is set up to allow him to do as he has. this is something us soccer needs to figure out.

Ben Taylor said...

-----------Gomez--------
Beasley------Torres----Donovan
---------Edu----Jones-----
Castillo-Cameron-Fiscal-Johnson
-----------Howard--------

The Defense is pretty shaky other than Fabian Johnson, and (maybe) Cameron; however, at least Orozco Fiscal and Castillo have some experience (Beithasour and Besler being thrown out to Azteca in their first cap-- have fun).
I could see Torres or (especially) Beasley not starting and making way for Boyd if Klinsi decides to go with a 4-4-2.
One positive - all 3 strikers have been in good form of late

Greg Seltzer said...

Here's my deal on Chandler, dikranovich. I told me himself he was not thinking of Germany a while back. Naturally, time can change things, but until I hear him say he wants to quit the USMNT for Germany, I'm not going to go assuming any such thing.

For starters, Loew has not approached him in the slightest, which he says in the article. He also says in the article that he will not make an approach to Loew.

That's all he says in the article, the rest could be the author suggesting a possibility based on the same things that have many of you suspicious. It's not a crazy thought, but until Loew calls him, it's all daydreaming.

And that's all I have to say about that.

dikranovich said...

greg, do you think there is any possibility at all that chandler will accept, or even be offered a callup for the jamaica games? he has passed on two previous cap tying call ups, and the second time it happened should have been enough.

another thing im curious about is how this saga does affect a player like eric lichaj. im sure when he gets his chance, he will be good.

really, its positive, chandler dissing the usa, which is straight up what he is doing and worse is that he is holding our country hostage in a way. i dont like it one bit. it really sets a bad tone. coach klinsmann needs to really make a point with this guy.

playing for your country is about pride and honor, not hedging your bets.

Greg Seltzer said...

Let's be perfectly clear: we do not own our national team players in any way. Players play for their reasons, they have their own thoughts and feelings and family pressures (good and bad) and there's nothing wrong with any of that. We are all people here, even the famous ones.

This hostage taking crap is silly. Not expressly talking to you, but some USMNT fans need to get over themselves. Being pissed at, say, Rossi is one thing; calling him "traitor to America" and wishing him to get hurt is quite another.

dikranovich said...

we do not own our national team players, but we own the team.

dikranovich said...

at least in spirit

dikranovich said...

maybe it is all in the terminology. we should not be offering these players a chance to be playing for the national team, we should be selecting the players. does anyone see the difference?

dikranovich said...

i dont know if rossi is a traitor, but he did turn his back on the country of his birth, which also happen to be the country he still calls home.

brian said...

unrelated note: has greg and dikran EVER agreed on ANYTHING?

Greg Seltzer said...

I'd assume that would be anything that he hasn't harped on me over for a year. :D

dikranovich said...

Yes, we agree that junior Bradley is an all around bad ass mo fo

brian said...

from the mouth of jurgen
"There's nothing new about Timmy," Klinsmann said. "Timmy is not sure yet if he wants to commit 100 percent to us and we don't stress it out. Simple as that. I told Timmy, 'Whenever you made up your mind, let us know. It's no problem.'

Jacob Klinger said...

The professional part of me that understands the politics of international soccer understands that. The fan in me does not.

Greg Seltzer said...

It's not about politics with these players, it's personal. For instance, Rossi plays for Italy because his father is Italian. That's a strong bond, it wasn't about oh he turned his back on the USA. He just turned his front toward his dad's dream.

Soccertes said...

Side gripe: Are US news outlets contractually prohibited from using the term "friendly"? Are they really that worried that unless they call it an "exhibition game" no one will know what they're talking about?

End of rant.

Greg Seltzer said...

If they are, nobody informed me. I use it all the time.

dikranovich said...

looks like we might see edu at center back. this is a good move. greg, what do you suppose it would have taken to push edu into the center half position four years ago after the last olympics? this is a move that should have been in the works four years ago. maybe ipswich will do usa a favor and use him there exlusively.

Greg Seltzer said...

Where do you get this notion? It's a terrible, terrible, terrible idea.

Greg Seltzer said...

Okay, now I see where you got that notion.

It's still a terrible, terrible, horrible, wretched, laughable idea. How about if we grow our actual center backs before 2014 instead of taking up space there with 26-year-old midfielder that was next to awful at center back in the flippin' Olympics four years ago - not to mention, he's our best pure disruptor in front of the back and, ya know, often starts in our midfield.

This idea is so bad it's as if they were trying to come up with the worst idea possible. The time for wacky experiments is O.V.E.R.

dikranovich said...

i remember parkhurst being worse four years ago. you dont do any favors talking about the coach and his ideas as being laughable, or wretched.

edu missed out on development somehow over the past four years by going to rangers. maybe center half will really be his best position. the guy could not beat our ricardo clark for a starting spot as a dm and that in itself should say something.

Greg Seltzer said...

1 - Even if you remember correctly (which you don't), one comparison is no reason to do this. Besides, Parkhurst has improved as a backliner over the last four years, Edu has not.

2 - I'm not here to do favors. I'm here to be honest with my views.

3 - As for "laughable" - the issue here seems to be, oh gosh, this particular squad had green central defenders. Okay... so then the answer is to not play them and plug a midfielder in there? I don't get it.

4 - Edu has played games in Europe against the likes of ManU, Valencia, PSV and Sporting CP, plus a shit-ton of Old Firm derbies. Perhaps he would have developed stronger in a better league, but it's not as if he hasn't improved since arriving to Rangers.

5 - Yeah... if "maybe" is your plan, I'm not inspired by it.

6 - Ha! I think everyone would agree that, if we could go back in time, they'd prefer Edu to Clark at WC10. Perhaps even Bob Bradley.

Greg Seltzer said...

Oh, right... and the obvious point that ties it all together is that this issue of having a squad lean at center back is one solely created by the coach calling a squad lean at center back just a few days ago. That fact is kinda impossible to miss.

dikranovich said...

greg, if you were honest with your views, you would have conceded that the pitch invader last season was infact not just from a suburb of amsterdam, but he was also from the city whose team has direct links to mother ajax.

obviously, jozy remembered.

Greg Seltzer said...

It's hilarious how you will call me (and basically any Dutch person who is aware of factual reality) a liar WHILE lying through your teeth about the same exact thing you're accusing me of lying about.

Any human that can use Google Maps could tell you Almere (which is its own municipality) is not a suburb of Amsterdam, which sits about five miles of water and then another few on land away. Stay on topic, dude.

dikranovich said...

Greg,'honestly, did you even know Almere fc was so closely tied to Ajax? Altidore did not either, but I'm sure he knows now

Greg Seltzer said...

Yes, I did. And I fail to see what you think this means. Or why you are dragging it back up now.

Look... if you want to discuss opinions, that's great and don't care how much you argue. If you want to go on insultingly about the people offering opinions, this conversation is going to get very short very quickly. I feel like we've covered this before, no?

dikranovich said...

Yeah, but not really the fact that Ajax and Almere city fc are so closely linked.

Greg Seltzer said...

And what do you imagine that means with regards to the pitch invader? I mean, do you even know if he's an Almere City supporter? The guy flat out told police he had he had some sort of (mental) problem with Alvarado.

Cripes, you have not one word to say about my several Edu points and so here we go again with this carnival. For the sake of everyone who comes here, please stay on topic. I won't ask again.

dikranovich said...

greg, now you are thinking like a reporter. was the pitch invader infact an almere city supporter, or was he an ajax supporter, or maybe both? almere city is not in the top division, so its possible that he could support both teams, and almere city fc is the ajax cape town of the flavoland.

all im saying about this guy who said to police that he had a mental problem with the keeper, i guess as his reason for invading the pitch, is that this does not seem like a case of a lone guy acting out. he was given his ticket by somebody and he has hooligan ink on his body.

my hypothesis on this whole thing is that it was an attack from a far right faction of ajax supporters, who new that the disruption to this relatively quiet cup game would be good cover for throwing AZ off its game for the rest of the season.

as for edu at center back, you made clear your point that it is a terrible, terrible, horrible, wreched idea, so what else really would we have to say, at least until the conclusion of the mexico game

dikranovich said...

you know, if coach klinsmann can find a way to get torres and beckerman on the field together, we can have what essentially will be six defensive mids.

true, not much has been made of cameron actually being a midfielder, who is still learning center back, but he and edu seem to maybe have some chemistry. one is talller, the other is faster.

williams might get his first real taste of a role in the center of the pitch, next to JJ. beckermans calm and influence could be a nice plus tomorrow night and if you can slot torres out left, that could work, with johnson using the left touchline as his canvas. and there you have it, six defensive mids on one pitch, on one team, at the same time.