Saturday, August 18, 2012

The other side of the coin

Clint Dempsey's former Revs boss Steve Nicol has his say about Fulham manager Martin Jol's public claims that the US star is refusing to play.


- Greg Seltzer

25 comments:

WilkersonMclaser said...

Thanks for posting this, Greg. I can't believe how quickly people, including American fans, are taking the rags at face value and turning on Clint. It's shameful.

Greg Seltzer said...

Yeah... the same rags that have repeatedly sworn he was set for Liverpool for months... and last summer, when Liverpool showed no interest in him... and dragging Roma into it for over a year when they never had interest to chase him. Of course, this time, Jol is the one who aired the dirt - that's the big difference and why I kinda understand how people are buying it.

But, c'mon, some of the claims make little sense, especially the claim of how he went blabbing all over the place that he was definitely moving to Liverpool when the guy has always stayed to himself about such things.

WilkersonMclaser said...

Yeah -- that was the weirdest thing about all this. Doesn't sound like Clint at all. He's always been the type to keep his head down and do what he has to do on the pitch. But it is hard to see how and why Jol would resort to this nonsense. Wouldn't it only deflate his value?

Also, Greg, I have a question. Not scientific, but from my observations from commenters and bloggers, it always seems like Liverpool fans are really down on the idea of Dempsey while Arsenal fans seem to take a much brighter view -- "solid professional, scores goals, good price."

Is this impression broadly accurate? If it is, why do you think that is?

Greg Seltzer said...

I have seen quite a few Liverpool-blog articles about why they should get him, but maybe the reality is he would just fit better at Arsenal and the difference in opinion has to do with that.

C. Goldkamp said...

Clint Dempsey > Stuart Downing

Greg Seltzer said...

They are very different players, though.

C. Goldkamp said...

Absolutely, but if I'm brendan Rodgers and I want to implement his style of passing and moving, I'd take Duece any day of te week. Dempsey has shown that he can make that killer pass. I have yet to see Downing show that side of himself.

dikranovich said...

FulhAm 4 Norwich 0, Swansea 4 qpr 0, Liverpool 0. WBA 3, bad ju ju for Dempsey Arsenal, have not scored today, but deuce doesn't fit with this team or the Wenger philosophy Giroud didj just miss a good chance

Greg Seltzer said...

Okay... I'll bite... how exactly does Deuce not fit into the Arsenal/Wenger philosophy, but Everton is a match made in heaven?

David said...

Greg, any chance you can give us anything concrete on Dempsey? Are Jol's comments the truth?

Greg Seltzer said...

Soon enough I hope.

Phil McCracken said...

Great stuff, Greg. I can't believe some of the nonsense that's been spouted off about Dempsey. Jol really accomplished what he wanted to with his press conference yesterday. He really turned a lot of supporters against Clint which is really unfair in my opinion.

I seem to remember some poster on this blog was saying that Fulham was on a downward trajectory the other day.

All I want to say is great call, you really nailed it.

RobUsry said...

Clint Dempsey is the new Carlos Tevez. How long until he comes back to Texas to fish and start a rap career?

dikranovich said...

touche phillip. fulham seem to have some nice new pieces, but this is just the first game and it was a home game against norwich city.

shoot, chievo won 5 nil today, lets hope junior did not make a mistake, and boyd was on the bench, but not in the game and vienna beat a good team handily.

its nice to hear jol come out and correct his stance a little. he must have seen the steve nicol report.

deuce is going to end up somewhere. who saw the arsenal game today? who is deuce going to displace? podolski did look off today and his replacement missed a chance to win the game, maybe that means deuce is set for a gunners move. of course wenger spent big money on those two players. cardoza looks deadly, the wingers certainly created opportunities.

arsenal just does not seem like a good fit for deuce, though there is certainly going to be serious talent around clint if he does go to arsenal.

dikranovich said...

greg, you know the wenger philosophy, buy young talent and groom it under the watchful french eye. he nearly choked up today talking about song, or maybe that was the 22 mil caught in his throat.

wenger does not rate the american player and much like junior at villa, under another frenchman, it does not work out well.

contrast this approach to david moyes and the everton group and it makes sense to think about everton. deuce has the talent to play on just about any team in the world.

philip, i stand corrected about dc filthy also, thats tomorrow night. but dc united have a good batting average with south american attacking talent. this paljoy probably bags a goal manana.

Miles Kint said...

"Wenger does not rate the American player."

Come on, man. There is no vast international conspiracy to keep Americans down in soccer. The reason Wenger hasn't signed any Americans is probably because there have been very few with the chops to play at that level.

Seeing as Arsenal has signed players from South Korea, Costa Rica, Japan, Morocco, Finland, and Mexico in recent years, I don't think Wenger particularly cares where his talent comes from.

FYI, he actually visited the American locker room after the recent 1-0 loss against France and praised them for their performance.

dikranovich said...

16greg, i dont think dick advocate rates american players either, but that doesnt mean guus hiddink doesnt rate them, because everyone here knows he does.

but the frogs, im sorry, no french coach rates the american soccer player, not jean tigana, not gerrard houllier, and not arsene wenger. its not an international conspiricy, its just fact.

Jacob Klinger said...

Guy Lacombe, Frederic Antonetti and Christopher Galtier all penciled Carlos Bocanegra into their starting lineups.

Francis Gillot was pretty stoked to sign and play Charlie Davies at Sochaux. Never mind the French clubs that have sought American talent recently.

Bernardinho said...

And BOOM goes Jacob's dynamite.

dikranovich said...

yak, you bring up a good point in carlos bocanegra. he was afterall voted player of the year for glasgow rangers last season. this is an interesting and curious case. boca was playing in the epl prior to his stints in france.

strong defender, good in the air, he was the second leading scorer at fulham just a year prior to going to rennes, and he is left footed. international experience, why would a little provincial french club not be interested?

didnt it seem a little curious to you yak, that boca went from rennes to st. etienne? i think he might have bagged a game winner against st etienne and that peaked their interest. so he leaves a succesful venture at rennes and goes to another french club where he lasts one year. so st etienne bought him in and released him within the same year.

charlie does not play in france anymore and all these players that are being looked at, they are not signing with any french clubs. i dont know, maybe danny mwanga will sign with a team in the france first division.

ill stick with my assertion that the french soccer manager does not rate the american player. they probably thought gooch was a nigerian, just going to school in the usa when he was signed to play in france.

Jacob Klinger said...

Well if French managers were predisposed against American players then Boca would not have been signed. His skillset is hardly unique. I didn't really see the move as curious. Just common-sensical for the reasons you pointed out. Rangers also paid an undisclosed fee. It's not like he was shown the door.

Charlie Davies almost died and Sochaux gave him chances to get back into the first team. Nothing there for me.

And Metz had been scouting Onyewu since his Clemson days. During that time he represented the U.S. at U-17 and U-20 World Cups, even playing in the same tournament as France in 2001.

Heck, even Wenger let Shea train with Arsenal. I'm sure Nike helped, but Shea epitomizes all that is right and wrong with the American player today and if Wenger didn't want him there wouldn't have had him.

dikranovich said...

the last story of caution id like to leave you with jacob, is that of quentin westburg. you know how to use wiki, so go to it. and 90 americans playing abroad and not a single one in france, not the first division, second, or third.

dikranovich said...

it reads almost as if he was blacklisted.

Jacob Klinger said...

Even I'm old enough to know the Quentin Westberg story. He was born in France, went to Clairefontaine, played youth ball for us and has had some bad breaks. He's still 26 and keeps getting contracts. There can only be one keeper on at a time and his career is far from over. Westberg himself is in the third division.

Yeah, France hasn't been as much of a hotspot as say, Germany, but to say the managers are predisposed against Americans is a bit of a stretch, especially when you consider the greater body evidence I've presented.

dikranovich said...

as you wish jacob!!!