Sunday, September 2, 2012

And now, that other fella's clipboard.

Alternative title: The One That Actually Counts. Still... I would absolutely love to hear the explanation for not calling hot hand Mikkel Diskerud.

G - Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

D - Carlos Bocanegra (Racing Santander), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Clarence Goodson (Brøndby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Orozco Fiscal (San Luis), Michael Parkhurst (FC Nordsjælland), Jonathan Spector (Birmingham City)

M - Kyle Beckerman (Real Salt Lake), Joe Corona (Tijuana),
Maurice Edu (Stoke City), Jermaine Jones (Schalke 04), Jose Torres (Pachuca), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting KC)

A - Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham)
, Herculez Gomez (Santos), Brek Shea (FC Dallas)

- Greg Seltzer


Unknown said...

Josh Gatt has withdrawn from the roster.

For me Chris Pontius should be his replacement.

dikranovich said...

i think we are gonna see the octagon formation again. five d mids. if cherundolo starts, fabian johnson needs to be on the left side. spyderman and boca in the middle. jozy up top. this is going to be a grind em down type of game. maybe deuce is ready and he gets the nod over torres.

dikranovich said...

pardon me. the pentagon formation. i live two miles from the freaking thing, i should know the difference.

Jon said...

Where the hell is Lichaj?

Why don't we have a replacement for Gatt?

Why no Kljestan?

Why no Mix?

Why still Torres?

Why no Pontius?

Why no John?

Why no Gonzalez?

Seriously, where the #$&% is Lichaj? Would Eric be here if he was German?

AWF08 said...

Um, maybe his club requested that he not be called in. Maybe he has a knock. Maybe Klinsi doesn't rate him yet since he's barely played in a US jersey and this is a qualifier.

Joosey said...

I'd really like to see Mix and Lichaj get a shot here, but the real crime in my eyes in Kljestan's omission. He's been playing consistently well for Anderlecht in a position that is currently very thin due to injury. Also, I'm really sad to see that Chandler looks to be out of the picture for 2014.

On the bright side, I think Boyd is going to score multiple goals against Jamaica.

dikranovich said...

sacha started today for anderlecht, but was pulled at halftime. maybe this would be a good spot to throw a bone to freddy adu. it might let him know that he still has a chance.

pontius has not scored much for the past couple months. why does coach klinsmann not see the benefit of benny?

Jolazo said...

If Freddy Adu wants a chance, he needs to show he can be the best offensive player on his own MLS team. Until that happens, he has no business getting a call up.

dikranovich said...

jolazo, i hear what your saying, and that does seem like a good gauge for picking rosters. us mens team wants the best players. but it also makes sense to realize that some players just step up when they get the call to play for their country

adu has stepped up for his country, meanwhile, other players are dangling their talents like a carrot. makes usa look weak. what would make usa look strong though, is when freddy adu, who cant get going for philly, were to come out and bust up jamaica.

i know freddy has a big negative, his own coach says he still does not understand that it is about the team, but sometimes, you just have to be a little outside the box in the thinking. adu certainly did not disappoint the last time he put on a usa jersey.

Cathal said...

Adu needs a permanent position - the back-and-forth between left-wing and second striker clearly has thrown off any possible rhythm to his game. Not to mention, Philly just isn't a good team and has no sense of what their formation are.

The fact is that Freddy just isn't playing well right now - not a reflection of his talents as much as his current situation and form.

The other fact is that Freddy was one of our best last time he put on a USMNT jersey (Gold Cup Final) and clearly plays better when he has better players around him. He was also our best player in U-23, and that team may have gone to the Olympics if Brek Shea had been subbed out and not Freddy.

So, really, he's certainly more deserving than Brek Shea.

dikranovich said...

cathal, im not even looking at who is more deserving, because i dont think we should be looking at the selection process like that.

players are selected, or brought in to work as a team to push forward some kind of plan of action. this deserving BS is probably part of freddys problem, sorry, that is exactly what his problem is. he has been deserving his whole life, at least since in america, and maybe that is why he repays it so much, in light of his form at the time.

i say select him because he could do damage to the jamaica defense. so could brek shea though too.

WilkersonMclaser said...

Cathal, is that you, Freddy? Seriously, that paean to Adu's supposed greatness is pathetic.

The idea that Philly is somehow unformed enough to handle Adu's consummate awesomeness would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that you seem to be trying to say it with a straight face. The last club Freddy played for as a solid, consistent contributor in his globe-spanning, salary sopping career was ... DC United. At best. The idea that his occasional non-errant ball in the dregs of the Turkish 2nd division should translate into torrid form in MLS is just stupid.

I'm sorry, but if his highness can only find form under an array of narrow, particular conditions to which the rest of the world must conform, he isn't worth having at all.

Unknown said...

Not really high on Adu right now, but it sure would be nice to see a ten goal scorer and a constant attacking threat for his club team at FWD and at Right Attacking Midfield hint Chris Pontius.

Seriously, why in the world does Klinsmann keep on playiogn players out of position(Danny Williams), and continue to call-up inept players(Jose Torres.) At least we will have some speed with Johnson and Shea in the team.

heythisisrobbie said...

I'm starting to really question Jurgen.

Torres/Beckerman over Diskerud? What is one good reason why?

He has been slower to bring players along than Bradley was. The Gatt call-up was promising, but I was sort of hoping he and Gyau would be regular camp callups by now. Gyau still needs time at St. Pauli, but after he gets that I worry about how long it will take to integrate him into the squad.

Cam said...

I will never understand the infatuation with Freddy Adu until he proves he can do anything at the club level

Cathel I think your making other people's points by saying "he played great against el salvador's u-23 team"...I mean it's a u-23 team...from el was in March...and that is what you sight as last positive appearance

I'm not saying that you know nothing about soccer or anything like that because there are people who know more than me who back his abilities but I am saying that when others defend Freddy Adu i think it's mostly because of the player they want him to be (or imagined he was when he was portrayed as the savior of the USMNT at 14) and not the player whose mediocre performances they can watch week after week in MLS

Cathal said...

Yeah, never meant to say that Freddy's was our savior.

In the same way that it's weird to see Benny so on the outside - he was really good as our first guy off the bench in the actual World Cup - it's been weird to see Freddy so on the outside of everything. It's also been weird to see him to frequently mediocre for Philly, when anyone who watches his team would just scream for him to get more involved. Just really weird dynamics.

Sorry, guys - we saw Freddy be our best creator last summer against Mexico, and we're smart enough to know that guys don't become worse as much as they can lose form. See: Shea, Brek. Same league, and I'd argue that Freddy has proven more at the right level. And yeah, sometimes it's hard to forget Freddy's highlights against Spain, but at the very least we know he can find a guy making a good run, and that's more than we can see about Danny William at RW.

WilkersonMclaser said...

Biggest difference between the likes of Shea/Feilhaber and Adu is the former can both point to periods of strong, consistent form at both the club and international levels not too long ago. Adu cannot. Other than a blip of promise at the Gold Cup, hardly a reliable body of work from which to draw, Adu has been a case study of wasted talent and on-pitch mediocrity.

Greg Seltzer said...

"Adu has been a case study of wasted talent and on-pitch mediocrity."

I happen to partially disagree. Without removing all the blame from Adu, I'd still say a fair amount should go to nearly all his coaches except Rongen and Bradley, the only two who consistently put him in a position to succeed.

This may be a bit too simplistic, but I feel everybody else 1) tried to force him to be just any other cog in the team and then 2) could not for the life of them figure out why he didn't show as a magical playmaker type.

The stark reality is players like we expected (or still expect) him to become aren't cogs. They're engines. They're the nucleus, not one of the electrons. Most coaches try to treat him like an electron when they want him to be a nucleus.

The sad truth may be that we don't quite know yet how to grow and handle a world-beating talent of the type Adu's been expected to be.

WilkersonMclaser said...

This notion presupposes that Adu's talent can only be unlocked if the team builds its entire on-field deployment around Adu - a remarkable proposition for a player who has yet to offer value in positions and areas where he's been needed.

This has been an ongoing debate within the Philly fanbase, but it's clear that even giving Adu the keys to the #10 role will not compel him to show more hustle, end his habit of slowing down plays or gifting turnovers with his maddening addiction to stepover-palooza inside the 18, or suddenly institute some semblance of defensively integrity, among other things. What an amazing thing: the idea that Adu should be handed the keys to the attack without first demonstrating the ability and willingness to do those basic things expected from the squadiest journeyman.

No. For Philly it's become clear that the one who is doing all those things, commands respect from his teammates and the fanbase, and has demonstrated on field upside is Michael Farfan, not Freddy.

Greg Seltzer said...

"This notion presupposes that Adu's talent can only be unlocked if the team builds its entire on-field deployment around Adu - a remarkable proposition for a player who has yet to offer value in positions and areas where he's been needed."

Here's the catch: What kind of player are you trying to unlock from Adu? One who makes the simple pass and gets back to make a difference on defense?

I'd propose he has shown value under Rongen and Bradley, who both catered to the player they wanted to unlock.

The other coaches have catered to something else. Regardless of what percentage of the blame one might feel lies with Adu himself, that point in the preceding sentence cannot be denied.

Greg Seltzer said...

All these other coaches wanted to avoid the growing pains of such a player. The problem is, growing pains are necessary to produce ad utilize that type of player. And beyond that, much of the USMNT bubble barks at failed attempts to take on defenders, find the splitting pass or make the unique play when that is precisely the thing we should be encouraging regardless of individual play outcomes.

Greg Seltzer said...

Besides, beyond all the soccer talk, these players thrive on belief and acquired confidence. Not on working harder to track back on defense and waiting for the "right time" to appear.

Cathal said...

Have to agree with Greg, only in that we've seen things from Adu that we just haven't seen in other American players, and the onus is just as much on coaches to unlock that as much as it is the player. The story is becoming rather tired, but you still can't help but wonder how much more optimistic things would look if he were put in a league more catered to his skills. That Revs-Philly game was difficult to watch.

Alex said...

classic chemistry talk from greg

WilkersonMclaser said...

I'm merely stating that building a team around Adu is a poor proposition when he hasn't showed the ability or willingness to perform those perfunctory, quotidien duties that may not be flashy, but help the team. Yes, sometimes that means doing a smart back pass or even pulling a little weight on defense.

Truth is, having seen quite a bit of him at Philly, Adu wastes his and everyone else's time with his mad games of stepover hopscotch. The brightest points in his career haven't come from making crazy Ivan runs through defenses into the box, but playing a little deep and spraying clever balls through tight crevices to unlock space. That's when he has shone in Philadelphia, and that's the role he filled so well for Bob Bradley.

Now that the postseason is a no go for us, I'm confident that Hack will give him more of a chance to play his desired no 10 role. If it works, awesome. If not, well, I'm sure there will always be someone to throw out another excuse about his why 7th club in 8 years was just doing it all wrong like all the rest.

dikranovich said...

in a related story, the french goalkeeper might find that playing second fiddle at tottenham, could cost him the net for his national team, because in france they really mean it when they say a national team player needs to be starting for his club team. god, the french are so weird.

dikranovich said...

interesting, but i just noticed that the official roster has mo edu listed as a defender, yet here he is listed in the midfield.