Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Three and counting... (updated)

It's not over quite yet, but Wednesday night action in Europe has already brought us a trio of American goal clips to await. Timothy Chandler hit a late consolation in FC Nürnberg's loss at Hannover 96, Fabian Johnson the capper in Hoffenheim's win at Stuttgart and Charles Kazlauskas the opener as Helmond Sport fell on PK's in the KNVB Cup.

UPDATE: After a string of poor quality/no sound/quickly removed clips, we have two of the three. We may be wishing on a prayer for the Kazlauskas clip.





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- Greg Seltzer

39 comments:

Jamie said...

Think some bigger clubs come looking at Fabian? He's been in good form.

Greg Seltzer said...

As a left back? I highly doubt it. And actually, he was quite abysmal in their first three games this season. I really wish his club would either develop or go find a proper wingback so he can play his real position. This is greatly annoying.

Jamie said...

Not necessarily as a left back just in general. I didnt catch the first three games so that's good to know.

US2014 said...

I think bigger clubs would buy Fabian Johnson as a LB, just as Klinsmann said he is one of the best LB's in the Bundesliga. Johnson isn't going to move to midfield anytime soon with Takashi Usami performing really well so far at LM.

AJ Wardrino said...

Yes as a Left back. Johnson is no longer a Middie. It's time to realise this. And he has been down right outstanding at Left back his past two games. See it goes both ways. Players will have good games and bad games. For me he is no longer a winger/middie.

AJ Wardrino said...

Oh and the entire Hoffenheim team was abysmal in their first three games.

Greg Seltzer said...

For you, he's no longer a winger! Classic.

J.D. Springer said...

Are we still counting Chandler as American? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

dikranovich said...

there is a coach in madrid somewhere, still insisting that break sheas best position is in central defense. did fabian johnson score these goals from lb, or was he replaced at left back and moved further up the pitch?

Greg Seltzer said...

@ J.D. Springer: I don't understand the confusion.


@ dikranovich:

1 - Let's not pretend that what one Madrid coach who has never seen him thinks matters compared to what the development coaches, all his managers until now and the player himself thought and think.

2 - Yes, he scored them as a left back moving forward, which is yet another clue since nearly every good play by him from left back that we talk about happens up the wing. Just imagine if he didn't have to travel so far to get there.

brian said...

fabian johsnon is a (great) LB, understand that, accept that. chandler has yet to be capped tied, that is the confusion of you grouping him in with 'americans'.

Greg Seltzer said...

By no stretch of the imagination is Johnson a "great" left back.

And, erm, I did not realize one had to be cap-tied to be American. If so, then I'm not American. And you're not American. And ohhh about 300 million Americans aren't American. I have to share that this whole aww-shnookums hurt feelings ownership citizens review board crap over Chandler is getting on my last good nerve. Just for bare minimum starters, it is a monstrous double standard.

brian said...

i never turned down a chance to be capped tied, neither did you, or 300 million other americans. Klinsmann thinks Johnson is one of the best in the bundesliga, i must take his assessment of johnson over yours, sorry if that hurts your feelings. And please send me my quote where i said you have to be capped tied to be american...

Greg Seltzer said...

Klinsmann, the guy who also kept playing Williams wide right until the last game, is massaging reality with that claim.

And here's where you made that connection:

"... chandler has yet to be capped tied, that is the confusion of you grouping him in with 'americans'."

brian said...

that has no correlation of being american = being capped tied, nice try on spinning my words tho. apology accepted ;)

Greg Seltzer said...

Yeeeees, spinning your words = taking them literally!

I made no apology. And until you can factually state how Chandler is not American and is not a US international, let's just leave it out. Or at least until all the whiners realize their logic cancels several former and current US internationals from being just that. Enough already.

brian said...

all i said was chandler is not capped tied. then you made the assumption that i do not see him as being american because of that. when chandler stops turning down the US call ups, then I will consider him a US international. how you consider him a US international when he has yet to suit up for one meaningful game, is beyond me. can he also be considered a German international as well? Plus he is no longer in the USMNT roster in FIFA 13 :/

Greg Seltzer said...

At this point, buddy, you may wish to realize that what you consider him to be has no effect on actual reality. But since you wish to play this game, here is the one "consideration" that matters: FIFA considers him a US international.

Checkmate.

brian said...

"At this point, buddy, you may wish to realize that what you consider him to be has no effect on actual reality" Fabian Johnson as LB vs winger??? boom. roasted. debate over.

Greg Seltzer said...

Hardly. The debate is whether he is better in his natural, preferred position of winger or in his more recent need-based station of left back. And you have not attempted any point in this debate. Instead, you whipped out FIFA 13 and imagined I had reason to apologize.

What's the big deal? You think he's a proper left back and I think he's better as a winger. It's not like I'm saying he's no good at all or that he hasn't had decent games at left back for the US.

brian said...

there is no big deal.

dikranovich said...

please greg, you lost this debate months ago. for gods sake, you have eric lichaj as the top choice left back and everyone and their mother knows his best position is right back, so now, all you are doing is being hypocritical

Greg Seltzer said...

Lichaj is an actual defender by trade who can play both sides, which he does well in the Prem.

If I lost some debate, then so did Johnson, who says he's an attacker. Stop declaring opinions as historical fact.

dikranovich said...

greg, greg, greg, if anyone is declaring opinions as historical fact, well, that is you my friend and there is plenty of evidence to support this.

it could be noted also at this point, that the dubious goal panel has adjudicated on all questionable goals up to this current season.

Greg Seltzer said...

And yet you name none.

Deuce had one that should have counted that didn't and one that counted that shouldn't have. I closed that file eons ago. Can we move on with life now?

Cathal said...

Johnson has been solid at the defense, and does what good wing-backs do - get forward. Should Glen Johnson be a winger because he's good at getting involved in the attack? What about Dani Alves? You want defenders who are good at defense, and the rest is gravy. We have that with Johnson - a guy who also plays LB for club.

dikranovich said...

greg, isnt that just precious. so now the dubious goals panel has gotten it wrong, is that what you are saying? you brought the freaking thing up in the first god dang place as the ultimate authority. what the heck???

Greg Seltzer said...

Ultimate authority? Why? Because I can understand plain English?

I am sick to death of explaining the same exact horribly basic shit over and over and over again. Stop trying to gotcha me, you're terrible at it.

dikranovich said...

i am lost, dempsey was not credited with the goal, so what is your point?

Greg Seltzer said...

Yes.... you're lost on a one-step flowchart that has been elementally explained 47 times.

My point, as it has been for six months, is move on to the present.

dikranovich said...

wow!!! "we got everything here from a diddli do, to a damned if i dont know." where is the reason? where is the logic?

dikranovich said...

i thought we were discussing the difference between historical fact and opinion!!!

brian said...

greg is correct, ALWAYS.

Greg Seltzer said...

Oh, give over, you suffer no tyranny. I've already told dikranovich more than once that I'm not going to respond when he ignores repeated replies to his so-called points, misrepresenting what I said and annoying the readers to no other end than trying to challenge me over ancient minutia. The same goes for anyone.

dikranovich said...

greg, that is a big fat load of bs buddy. i mean, for real, but nobody is forcing me to read or even post here at NSC.

if this was minutia, you would not have spent a month proclaiming that deuce should have been given his proper goal.

now the panel comes out with historical fact and you want to act like it is nothing, or even worse, that they got it wrong, twice. dear lord, you can not make this sh*%t up.

and im all for ironing out one historical fact at a time, just keep putting your opinion out there.

dikranovich said...

for example, another historical fact would be coach klinsmanns assessment of his left back situation. it is a matter of historical record, thanks to the doug espn insider interview.

you gotta love how coach klinsmann gives jozy credit, but also states that altidore has a lot more to learn and scoring in the dutch league aint the same as scoring in internationals.

J.D. Springer said...

My question about Chandler wasn't about whether he's "American", it was about whether he wants to play for the U.S. I have no problem with any player who has U.S. ties and can help. I just don't get the impression Chandler is interested in playing for the U.S. any longer.

Greg Seltzer said...

The only reply I had to you was that I don't understand the confusion. The "American" reply was to someone else.

Look.... for whatever reason, the guy is not messing with international ball right now, which last time I checked, is well within his right and hardly a novel occurrence in the world. It doesn't mean he will never want to return to the US fold and it doesn't mean he'll go play for Germany. And to be totally frank, he hasn't been playing well
enough to make the squad at right back anyway.

dikranovich said...

timmy chandler committed to playing for the usa when he played in his first friendly. when he rejected selection to the squad on more than one occasion, he showed a lack of commitment.

if landon donovan were to show a lack of commitment to the 2014 cause, he would be undoing much of the good he has done for his country, and that is a fact.