Tuesday, October 9, 2012

The Butterfly Effect?

If someone out there squashed a bug while time traveling, please speak up.

The reason why he's not coming in is mainly about the performances (last month) in Jamaica and at home and in training, also certain things that went on in the May-June camp.
- Jurgen Klinsmann, October 8th

Every day he's getting a little bit better. You can see that in every training session. We help him, help him, and we work on it. He's working hard. He's positive about it. - Klinsmann, June 2012










- Greg Seltzer

22 comments:

dikranovich said...

without a timeline of when this quote was made, against what may have occured during may/june, this conjecture is meaningless. its also fruitless. its not pointless though, just same stuff, different coach.

maybe matthew from tsg could take over as coach and bring pacman on as his assistant. then we can all be secure in knowing a two goal lead will be much safer under their guidence.

Greg Seltzer said...

What part of "June 2012" is eluding you?

dikranovich said...

this whole jozy situation reminds me of another little debate, a golden oldie, from a couple seasons ago. this is like when van persie picked up the second yellow against barca for time waisting. its all about the rules of the game, and greg, in this regard, you are deficient, and if you would free your mind a little, maybe we could fix this.

Wideboy said...

The timeline is the past 14 months as JK said he has not been happy with Jozy for his entire tenure as USMNT coach. He is just now making it publicly known.

If anything, this public spat reminds me of 2006 with DMB and Arena. We can point to bad calls going against us, but people forget that there were some internal disruptions going on behind the scene that came out publicly during WC play. And we all know how 2006 ended...

dikranovich said...

we should all be good with jozy not being on this roster. it was greg himself,who explained on his podcast, that usa would have no problem navigating this round of qualifing. with it being so easy, usa can afford to keep one of its top players off. i mean, why risk junior bradley against a and b. he should be saved for the guatemala game.

Andy said...

What's truly sad is that Jozy's lack of scoring has very little to do with Jozy and very much to do with the fact that he hasn't had our best three field players (Bradley, Dempsey, and Donovan) behind him, feeding him the ball.

Now, when we finally have those three healthy and able to start, Jozy doesn't get called and some other striker will reap the benefits of much better service.

Travis said...

So the USMNT would be better off in the hands of a blogger? I'm no Klinsi fan, but that is wildly optimistic

Greg Seltzer said...

@ Andy: Bingo!

@ Travis: I'm not sure where you imagine I've said that. In fact, I haven't even said Klinsi was wrong to do this... but his explanation does not add up as is.

Matt said...

Really, you need to get over it...JK has confidence in his team and wants to send Jozy a lesson.

To be fair, Jozy has been crap for him, and it is not all due to a lack of service. JK knows that he has the players for A&B and Guatemala without Jozy but if his strategy backfires he loses his job and may not find another for a loooong time. But the upside is an Altidore who develops a little hunger and works harder for the team...which will be needed in the hex (knock on wood).

I would also bring up that Altidore's history with Verbeek shows that Jozy responds to (and may need) a coach that gives him the occasional (figurative) smack down...

Timmy said...

I feel as though the whole world has gone crazy. Setting an example by leaving your best striker out of the 24 you're inviting to camp before 2 vital games.

I don't care that the games should be winnable with our other players. Not having your best 18, assuming health, is just inexcusable. I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, but the whole "club form matters", but not in Altidore's case stinks of Klinsmann having other motives. Wait, Jozy was poor in Kingston, he says...does that have anything to do with the fact that he trotted out the most disgustingly defensive lineup we've seen in years?

This is so flummoxing/frustrating.

Greg Seltzer said...

I need to get over analyzing and providing commentary on the USMNT? Then why am I here? Why are you here?

As for the lesson, 1) you are fully assuming this & 2) why no messages to anyone else playing worse?

Altidore has not been nearly as bad as you claim under Klinsmann AND the #1 factor in his struggles to score (along with the extende absence of guys like Donovan, Dempsey and Bradley) have been Klinsmann's tactical decisions. Starting Johnson as left back hurts this, starting Williams at right wing hurts this.

But noooooooo, we should all pretend this is solely an issue of bad, bad, bad, stinky, lazy, blahblahblah Jozy, who doesn't train well... even though Klinsi said he trained well. I call total bullshit.

Maybe he is trying to "Verbeek" him, I don't know. But is this really the time for such things?

We've had trouble scoring under Klinsmann whether Altidore was in or not, that cannot be denied. And for him to completely leave out a guy standing third or fourth in the European Golden Boot standings requires a proper explanation.

Greg Seltzer said...

The above reply was to Matt, btw.

Greg Seltzer said...

I'm exactly where you are on this, Timmy. I don;t even understand why this is happening well enough to be mad or happy about it. I just want the truth, because this is some wacky shit.

Joel said...

Jozy will win his place back eventually. This looks like Klinsmann trying to push a young player to take his game to the next level.

For a long time, a lack of forward options guaranteed Jozy's place. Now he has to step up and prove that he should be the first choice. I think he will respond well.

Travis said...

@ Greg - that was my response to dikranovich, not you. Sorry about that.

Greg Seltzer said...

@ Travis: Gotcha. No worries.

Bernardinho said...

How long did it take before the Klinsi tenure got a little Hollywood? This long. Dude's a Californian, after all.

Joe Dirt said...

This is an interesting debate. It reminds me of some of the soccer culture struggles we have here in the USA such as considering a player a good player because "he runs a lot" or "he covers a lot of ground". These may be good attributes for a sweeper or CDM but not so much for a striker. I think it speaks to the infancy or our emerging soccer culture/soccer media/soccer knowledge as a nation that we still consider the player who runs more and is faster to be the better player, while our South American and European counterparts are more knowledgeable about noticing the nuance of what makes a player better than others.

Greg, your thoughts?

Greg Seltzer said...

You are 100%, bang on the nose correct, Joe. Earlier this year, I heard many Altidore haters - who hate him no matter what he does - whining over and over how he doesn't hustle on defense... as a lone striker... when his overt instruction is to stay high to prevent 2-3 defenders and the DM from creeping forward. I mean, the disconnect is sometimes stunning. That's like barking at the keeper because he doesn't serve enough tasty crosses.

Joe Dirt said...

On the positive bent on all this madness, if there is one.

When was the last time our pool of strikers/forwards was so deep that we could leave a leading goal scorer in a major European league off the roster and still be overly confident about a must win WCQ senario?

Greg Seltzer said...

We've never had a leading goalscorer in a major Euro-league... so never. :)

Joe Dirt said...

Greg, do you think there could be any German/Dutch rivalry going on behind the scense in this whole mess, even going back to Veerbek holding Jozy back during the summer friendlies. I love to start conspiricies.