Sunday, February 17, 2013

So there ya go

It appears Landon Donovan will be back in late March. Whether that means he'll be available for the third hex qualifier against Mexico is unclear, but to me it seems a bit unlikely. However it goes, I reiterate my support for his R&R period. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.



- Greg Seltzer

11 comments:

Tony M said...

I have this nightmare where we squeak by Costa Rica and get a luck equalizer in Mexico and Klinsmann announces that we clearly DON'T need Donovan...

Let me stress that the US winning doesn't often figure in my nightmares. But these are extraordinary times...

Jamie said...

Tony - I don't get any indication that Klinsmann doesn't want Donovan with the national team. I think when Donovan is ready, fit, and performing again, he'll be called into camp and put in a position where he is able to contribute.

Tony M said...

Jamie - I do get indications that Klinsmann would rather be clever than right and I have absolutely no trust any longer in his judgement, selection or tactics. I don't think he will cross into this level of ludicrousness, but it is within the realm of possibility.

A lot of people will disagree with me and I hope they are right. But that's where I am with this guy

Jamie said...

There's a difference between questioning someone's judgment and assuming that person will automatically select the least reasonable option available to him (i.e. "Klinsmann has done things I don't understand. Therefore, he will always behave in a manner that is incomprehensible to me.").

I'm going to go ahead and assume that Donovan will return to the national fold as soon as he has returned to the game and started performing at a high level again.

dikranovich said...

what do they say about assumption being the mother, brother, or any other sucker, of all f ups?

Greg Seltzer said...

:/ Really?

Tony M said...

Jamie there's another possibility. It is that I perfectly understand what Klinsmann is doing and that I ascribe it to motives that have more to do with his personality and his need to prove something, and less to do with tactical reasons.

The fact is that criticisms of him that are emerging about him now are very much in synch with criticisms that emerged about him in Germany and Munich. That makes his behavior very comprehensible to me. He is also following a pattern seen among other great players turned coach who think that they are cleverer than everyone else and can therefore do things like switch players out of position and create usual formations (Maradonna anyone?) Or attributes players failures to their lack of motivation. (i.e., I was a great player not because I was a greater athlete, but because I am a better person. You're failure is that you are not as good a person as I was.)

The combination means anything is possible with him. THis is a guy who didn't player our best striker in critical qualifying matches, offering reasons that completely contradicted his earlier statements. (Thereby increasing the likelihood that his reasons were personal - he was angry at Jozy.)

It is easy to foresee circumstances in which JK won't start Donovan to make a point regardless of team need.

Jamie said...

But you keep coming back to this "in order to make a point/in order to be clever" argument, and I don't understand what point freezing Landon Donovan out of the national team would make, aside from "I do what I want," which does not strike me as a point Klinsmann would go out of his way to make.

I think it's important to remember that a) just because Klinsmann's decisions may at times seem inscrutable to you, that doesn't mean there is no logic behind them, and b) that just because Klinsmann goes takes great pains to present a transparent front to the media, that doesn't mean there aren't a whole lot of things going behind the scenes that we don't know about that might validate some of those inscrutable decisions.

As for Jozy, it appears reasonable to me that leaving him out of the team for a couple matches was a calculated risk, and one that ostensibly paid off, or at the very least didn't do any long-term damage. If we view Klinsmann as a motivator -- and I think that aspect is central to his personality -- who wants to get the most out of his players, it makes sense that he might take a different approach to different players depending on the individual personalities of those players. If he feels a player like Jozy might respond positively to being dropped from a couple qualifiers as a reminder that he needs to rise to each and every call up with maximum effort and application, then he may do that. Conversely, if he feels another player might respond positively to being given a call up as a vote of confidence or as a catalyst for improvement despite not playing regularly for his club team, then he may do that.

What I'm suggesting is not that Klinsmann is infallible or that his decision making process is beyond reproach, but that just because you don't see the logic in some of his decisions doesn't mean there is none.

dikranovich said...

jamie t, i think maybe the question you should answer, is what happens to our national team coach if we are three games into the hex and still sitting on zero, or one point? what does logic dictate in this situation?

dikranovich said...

ALERT, ALERT, ALERT, tab ramos and usa utes on fox soccer in 15, no, 12 minutes. make that 10 minutes

dikranovich said...

final score USA 2 v Haiti 1

not pretty, in fact, this squad looks disjointed and lacks ideas and only got by on a couple of individual moments from daniel cuevas, who looks a little like a young maradona.

i have seen enough of mario rodriguez. benni joya, ehhh. luis gil has grown up over the past couple years, and jose villareal, ahh, no.

the time waisting at the end of the game was unsporting and the dives were equally so. haiti had many more chances and we look suspect. will trapp, perry kitchen he is not.