Thursday, March 21, 2013

Let's talk about text, bay-bee.

Yesterday, Brian Straus of The Sporting News and Alexi Lalas joined Jimmy Conrad to discuss the big weekend USMNT article. Check out the chat here.




- Greg Seltzer

22 comments:

Tony M said...

Great podcast. Conrad's reactions should be considered by people attacking the players who spoke up.

dikranovich said...

conrads reactions through out seem to be to poke fun at yoga routines put in place by coach klinsmann.

jimmy and his famous 3-3-3-1. im giving more credit to brian straus, plus he is a dc boi.

but why not ask coach the tough question when he gives the record over the past year, or did straus ask the question, get the answer and not add it to the story?

24 lineups in 24 games!!!! swing it jimmy

dikranovich said...

as fate would have it, just so happens that the USA played 24 games back in 2009.

anyone want to take a swing at how many different lineups were used in those 24 games? best would be if mr conrad stepped up to the plate and took a shot at the answer.

Jay said...

If anyone thinks Klinsmann has one mandate, that person is ill-informed. His mandate is not just too change the culture of the team; he is also supposed to win. If he sacrifices one for the other, plain and simple: he's fucking up.

Greg Seltzer said...

Again, even though I did a year ago, I really don't see a change occurring at this moment. I think he's been playing quite conservatively to grind out results, nothing new. And with all his talk of progressing as a team, it seems rather confusing.

dikranovich said...

come on jay, lets be friends. i take it all back. you love the USMNT just as much as anybody.

dikranovich said...

greg, results matter. grinding out results, ala italy. what, that is not a good thing? instead of calling it grinding out a result, why dont you look at it as grinding down the opposition?

im sorry, but when i read your thoughts, i just cant help but think you have been sold on this dutch philosophy, from the house of ajax. and it holds you back from seeing the game in a more freer fashion. its just how i see it though, the facts as i see them.

but maybe it is like someone from st louis trying to tell someone from the chesapeake bay how to eat seafood.

Jay said...

I'm mildly surprised you could even notice that, dik, but sorry: we'll never be friends.

Greg Seltzer said...

Dude, you need to rewind the tape. Just for starters, we were in a 4-3-3 with the wrinkle of Williams hanging back a little on right wing. Secondly, it's not called trying to grind out a result when you are playing Italy in Italy - it's called top competition. You try having more than 40% of the ball in Pirlo's house.

And speaking as someone who was in the stadium that day, after the first 35 minutes, the USMNT pretty much battled Italy toe-to-toe. No, I would not say they grinded out a result. I would say they took their one big chance and held firm at the back to achieve a terrific upset victory.

Greg Seltzer said...

Here were my ratings from that game:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/blog/post/2012/03/02/us-vs-italy-player-ratings-bradley-bocanegra-shine

dikranovich said...

dude, you are my wifes sister!!!

the offer still stands though. never say never.

dikranovich said...

hold on. when i say grinding out results, im not talking about a friendly with italy.

im talking about italy, the country herself. they grind out results and they grind down the opposition, and you speak of grinding out results as if it is a bad thing.

dikranovich said...

and believe me greg, i remember your "ratings" for the italy game. you tried to use a shutout of italy on italian soil to play down the performance of our left back.

Greg Seltzer said...

Grinding out results is a reaction, not a system - let alone when you at worst the clear second best team in the region. It seems everyone wants to get to the next level, but not so many want to actually go for it.

Greg Seltzer said...

Rewind the tape. Johnson was having a hot mess in his corner over the opening half hour and he rarely linked with his winger. His best attack moves came when he ran or passed to the middle

Greg Seltzer said...

And, erm, I gave the guy a grade over average. Not much of a slam-down.

dikranovich said...

dutch, dutch, dutch.

dikranovich said...

my dutch comments are to you suggesting that grinding out results is a reaction, not a system. i mean really, are you off your rocker or something? what kind of nonsense is that?

guus hiddink took australia to the world cup by winning a beautiful PK shootout against uruguay. dont forget that son.

Alexander Sassaroli said...

I've been lurking on this site for a while now (thanks, Greg, for such amazing work), and I just can't hold myself back anymore - dik, what are you even talking about??? It's Klinsmann and Gulati themselves, along with much of the age-specific set ups, that have given lip-service to instituting a possession-based, high-tempo playing style (you call it "Dutch" based on your seemingly personal vendetta against the proprietor of this site and his adopted home, but I don't see anyone in the US set up advocating Total Football). This idea of "grinding out" results is also, itself, a straw man - what sane country WOULDN'T try to stave off a tying goal from a counter-attack if they were up, especially a second-rate soccer power like the US in Italy's house. Furthermore, if it is catenaccio to which you refer, I assure you, that system is far more complex than "grinding out" results, and would require probably a higher level of tactical acumen than what JK has so far demonstrated with his lineup selections.

Now, to get to what I wanted to say, judging from this podcast, Straus' article, and the article up now on MLSS on DMB playing left back, I am just up to *here* with the flippancy of the JK lineups selections and what I perceive to be the method with which he constructs his depth charts. JK seems to bring in a natural left back like Morrow, but will play DMB, or DW, or whomever out of position, ahead of a natural LB or RW, because he seems to construct his USMNT depth charts not by positions respectively within a complete, coherent, and constant system, but rather ad hoc and just generally a ranking of what he perceives to be the best players in the pool at a given time, regardless of their natural position or skillset. I hope that I am wrong, but that is the image I am beginning to form in my mind - Greg, could I be right about this? Is JK that tactically naive, or daresay, strategically negligent?

dikranovich said...

alexander, i discount everything someone says, when they say "i hope that i am wrong, but". sorry

DM said...

Preach, Alex Sassaroli, preach. I'm with you. Amen.

Jay said...

"I don't like your turn of phrase, so I'm ignoring every point you just made"