Friday, March 22, 2013

Pressure Conference

My head hurts. I'm sorry, but it is not okay for Klinsi to cast professional doubt on Brian Straus. The use of anonymous quotes is not some faulty reporting trick or invitation to suggest impropriety. The coach was quoted for the same article, for crying out loud.

And, oh yeah... there's also a game tonight.






- Greg Seltzer

44 comments:

dikranovich said...

i stopped the video at 5 minutes. coach klinsmann responded fairly to the first question. maybe deuce is just a company man, or a good actor, but he seems focused on the game and focused on his role as captain. please continue...

dikranovich said...

ok, we are ten minutes in and the reporters have asked three more questions. i dont know, maybe coach klinsmann had the questions prearranged or something.

first question, what about shea? get that, big game and the opener, after the article question is about shea, a player who might get 30 minutes tonight.

moving on, second question is about former coach arena and his assurtion that players should be american born. whatever, stupid question, great answer. and you have to laugh a little thinking about how coach bradley would have answered that question.

question three, im not sure, but it sounds like it was from chris sullivan and it was weird the way he pronounced landon donovans name, but it sounded like he was suggesting that coach klinsmann choose not to bring in donovan. weird!!!

im gonna listen again, but basically, so far, no good reporting being done. weak questioning. maybe someone will have a question about the tactics, if it was approved by the coach.

dikranovich said...

ive got to stop this thing at the halfway point and say this. good reporting is done by reporters when they pull their resources. i live in washington dc, well, virginia, and understand this intrinsically.

greg, the reporting here sucks buddy. thats the problem as i see it anyway. the questions are weak and ask a good freaking question. maybe we will get one, lets go see...

dikranovich said...

hold on, sorry, the next question is about the enviornment and corrrect me if im wrong, but this is a home game tonight. save the enviornment question for the road games, its a home enviornment, its in our favor. sorry. another zinger of a question.

dikranovich said...

oh dear, is that mr bobby mcmahon from fox soccer asking a question?

what did you learn? is there more pressure on you? something sort of unintelligble about process and south africa.

i dont freaking know. these reporters need to get it together. please people, bring your questions here for approval before the next one of these events.

i cant even listen anymore after 20 some minutes.

greg, in conclusion, i think what coach klinsmann was saying about anonymous sources, not that it has any bearing on anything, is that it can come from anywhere, be it a player or an agent, or whomever.

the straus story was constructed in straus's image and for the benefit of sporting news, and there is not one solitary thing wrong with that.

the story and the responses to the story speak for themselves.

american soccer reporters....P....U

not including our boy greg of course, who obviously was not there and would have asked something better, im sure.

Jacob Klinger said...

Brian Straus asked a ton of good questions, outside a presser, granting the sources the protection they're owed when one agrees to anonymity.

Considering these men were speaking out about their boss it makes fair sense that it was written that way. Surely his questions weren't "pre-approved," but you slagged him as an axe-grinder.

dikranovich said...

ok ok, i did listen to the end of the report.

bobby did ask a decent question about the captaincy.

next question is about why these practices in denver are closed door sessions? lol. seriously, alright, moving on

go get em dmb!!!

dikranovich said...

jacob, i know dang gone well the questions were not pre approved.

and no, straus did not ask a ton of good questions, because if he did, he would have followed up on them with the coach, which he did not.

he asked questions and constructed a story to fit his image.

Jacob Klinger said...

I realize that you realize that, hence the quotes.

And he did follow up on them with the coach. He spoke with him Sunday. Neither of us were there for the interviews, but based on the quotes in the Sporting News story Klinsmann answered with the same very PR-savvy "it's cool," "comfort zone" stuff he's said all along.

That itself is fine by both parties, but Klinsmann then publicly reducing the reports to "rumors" like Straus is some tabloid hack is not.

No image-constructing, just writing what he had.Plus, what he wrote's been echoed elsewhere, just not as comprehensively.

dikranovich said...

jacob, lets look at the quotes themselves from the article.

the first quote was from a source and it was with regards to boca hearing he would not start. the source said he was left in "disbelief". now jacob, is straus quoting a player or someone else with regards to the idea that bocanegra was in disbelief?

"it was one of those things where jurgen woke up the next day and wanted to try something we weren't familiar with." a player said this, about what, we have no idea. presumably its about a new centerback pairing for the honduras game.

moving on.......

dikranovich said...

the creme de la creme of quotes " he already broke carlos heart, why drive the knife in and twist it."

another source said this, not a player. well maybe a player, but if it was, would not anonymity protect that player. straus would have said it was a player, if that was the case, because he did about the quote before this one.

im pretty sure i know who said the knife twisting comments, because it is obvious they also asked a question at the press conference.

and we still got more quotes to get to....

WonderKin said...
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WonderKin said...

The problem with the article is that the anonymous sources do lose credibility by being anonymous. MLS referred to them as "whistle blowers" a term usually reserved for someone standing up against some sort of institutionalized immorality at great risk to one’s self.

There is no courage in the comments that were made. We are too deep in the qualifying process for anything positive to come from these cowardly complaints. The story is very provocative and maybe even 100% spot on in its themes. However, when you are a member team focused on a goal taking pot shots from the peanut gallery is inappropriate and undermines the credibility of anything you have to say. You are a person concerned with your own agenda and not the goal of the team, which is qualifying.

We are midstream and it is too late to switch ships. Get on with it. Qualify. Don't be a negative distraction.

dikranovich said...

ok, the last quote did take the cake, but this next quote, im not even sure what kind of quote you can call it. "klinsmann didnt really say how we were going to play, it was a quick turnaround" a player said this, and the quote continues, to go on to says this is what the coach basically said.

this whole long quote really sort of makes it sound like the player quoted was not listening in the meetings. if you are giving an anonymous quote, please, give facts, not generalizations of what basically was said. blogger please!!!!

im just gettin warmed up!!!!

dikranovich said...

jacob, im going to stop attacking the piece after this quote, and save the phillip lahm book quote for another thread.

the next quote is from a player, who said, " several things about the lineup did not work." it is interesting that this quote is followed by another quote that suggest something about the best 11 players or getting 11 players to play together. but this is not a quote from the same player, it is just a quote straus dropped into this point of his "report", to give more bite to his thesis.

and it sounds like someone has been reading the marcello lippi coaching book.

Jacob Klinger said...

@WonderKin: I agree. This likely doesn't help the team, though it might, and is an unnecessary distraction. The players should've gone to Klinsmann, in my opinion, and they may have.

That said, Straus has no obligation to the success of the team.

I wish it didn't, but I totally understand why anonymous sourcing costs a writer credibility.

@dikranovich If you have no trust in Straus' integrity then, yeah, you don't know what the quote is about. Then you also can't trust a large sum of any quote ever lacking explicit references from the source in a way that people simply don't speak.

I still don't understand your automatic disregard for Straus' credibility.

The knife-twisting quote tells us Boca was hurt pretty badly. There's nothing wrong with writing about players' feelings. There are emotions in sports and following them. It hurts my soul to have to defend this.

And how can you assume/infer the player wasn't listening? Straus reported on what he was told by 20+ people about the way Klinsmann conducted the team. Yet you think, what he just made it up.

Lastly, what is your point? There was consternation about the lineup from different people. Why wouldn't Straus organize his article with sources weighing in on the same topic close to each other?


Cam said...

i have no problem with Jurgen calling the reporter unprofessional. It didn't seem like he was overly upset about the report but his real option with that answer was to call out the team or call out the reporter, he made the better decision in my opinion.

I don't give him a pass on the tactical side though, he's a great PR guy but somebody else has to come in that understands the x's and o's better than him.

Greg Seltzer said...

"I wish it didn't, but I totally understand why anonymous sourcing costs a writer credibility."


Let's be honest: it only costs a writer credibility with those who would want that credibility cheapened. And it's an easy finger point to those who pretend anonymous sourcing is not completely common, often required to get a story done and well within the boundaries of by-the-book reporting.

Jacob Klinger said...

Of course. I get that, you especially get that, lots of people do. But the impulse of frustration with not knowing everything when the reporter's given everything but a name, I get that too, even if those people don't get me.

And yeah, it's a BS out for Klinsmann. As for those denying that there would be discord in camp, well, they're not in touch with reality. Or don't believe what they're saying.

Greg Seltzer said...

I'm not concerned with discord. I'm concerned with the confusion on the field, which has been there for all to see recently.

Jacob Klinger said...

That's what I'm saying. Watching the team look that confused, anyone who's denying the discord Straus reported isn't being honest with themselves.

I think we're agreeing.

WonderKin said...

My problem is not with the writer. Bryan Straus is doing his job. Journalists use anonymous sources all the time. That is a legitimate practice. The context of a team sport is what makes these comments harmful, and brings the credibility of the PLAYERS who made the comments into question. As a team member they should have one goal. All coaches(good and bad) have their detractors, but a player who takes shots at his coach in the media is unprofessional. This is not how things are done by successful people in this arena. At least T.O. and Ocho Cinco aren't cowards and let everyone know it's them when they make negative distracting comments in the media. Jurgen will be fired based on results and US Soccer would take a huge risk (right or wrong) in doing that right now. Complaining to the media only harms your own team. It is a cowardly, selfish thing to do.

Matt said...

Why is it not okay for Klinsmann to question Strauss? Journalists make a living out of questioning coaches. I doubt he knows much of what he's talking about and would expect his analysis (of Strauss) to be as poor as that of a lot of journalist who think they have great knowledge of the sport (present company excepted, of course).

Greg Seltzer said...

Questioning a journalist's opinions is one thing. Being the national team coach using BS insinuations to cast professional doubt on a journalist's reporting integrity when he flippin' spoke to the journalist for the article is quite another.

WonderKin said...

Haha, have you read "The Sun" lately? I can see a former international player/coach having a generalized opinion of the media that covers soccer. Agents frequently feed the media BS to increase the exposure/earnings of their clients, and the papers are not exactly innocent in this process. Jurgen's quote is very comparable to any quote Sir Alex makes anytime some young player is linked to them in a transfer rumor that is circulated... but sometimes the rumors are true.

Does Strauss fit in this category? Probably not, but he made some strong insinuations of his own and has a lot to gain from the attention he is getting right now.

dikranovich said...

hold on greg, would you please quote the BS insinuations that you are talking about? one thing is for sure. the quotes are out there, but reading their meaning, that is still being debated.

Greg Seltzer said...

No international coach is confused that The Sun is indicative of all soccer journalism.

And gaining from doing a good job is not evidence worthy of suspicion. You could say that about anyone doing any job at any time anywhere.

Greg Seltzer said...

I mean, that's a new one on me: be quoted for an article and then go announce that it's all just silly rumours. Bizarre.

Bernardinho said...

Seems like Klinsi is pouring gasoline on this particular bridge. Just doesn't sound very thoughtful of someone so allegedly 'big picture'.

dikranovich said...

ok, i listened to the video again, and after the second time. realize that it was another brick in the wahl who did infact ask the first question, which was about the article.

thats funny, because the us soccer rep who ran the press conference asks the reporters to raise their hand and he will pick them. so, who get the first question? and what does he ask? uh huh, sure you right.

greg, all coach klinsmann said about anonymous sources was nothing really. but he said also rumors, suggesting that when an agent, or maybe a commentator makes a statement about a player, that is just opinion, and well, next thing you know, quotes are flying left and right.

this is all really a none story and distracting you from talking about what really matters.

its funny, but straus himself stated on his own podcast that he did not follow up with the right questions for coach klinsmann when confronted with the question about a proactive style of play, and coach klinsmann gave straus the answer that USA has had a successful year.

i dont know, i dont see these reporters asking any great questions. not for the interview and certainly not in the press conference.

if costa rica plays a 5-3-2, are they going to be too narrow, and how will USA exploit this?

Matt said...

I still think there's no reason the press-coach relationship can't be a 2 way conversation.

Now JK may come off looking defensive and silly, but he's got a right to state his case. It may be foolishness (never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the gallon), but reporters should have to face the people they cover just as much as the national team coach needs to face up to the US Soccer community. That's my opinion anyway.

Greg Seltzer said...

I don't disagree with any of that. This was something else. If someone wants to suggest something is shady, they should call it out - not this general wink wink, nod nod, say no more about an article you contributed to.

dikranovich said...

nice matthew, do you also think the reporters covering US soccer should also face up to the US soccer community? or are reporters above the rest of the community?

dikranovich said...

wink wink, nod nod, what? maybe the first thing is to say that coach klinsmann granted brian straus access to the team. oh, let me guess, that is not unheard of.

Jacob Klinger said...

I'm not even sure what you're getting at now, but yeah, coaches do that.

dikranovich said...

jacob, forget the last comment, and concentrate on the facts and the quotes.

the quotes are there. would you like to know who made the sticking the knife in comment, because it is probably the same person who made the disbelief comment as well?

dikranovich said...

jacob, could you tell me who asked the first question at the press conference? the question regarding the article.

Greg Seltzer said...

Grant Wahl.

Dude, you are really prolific at assuming as fact. And that's just the parts I can understand.

Jamie said...

"Gee, I wonder what dikranovich thinks about this...let's check the comments section!"

Jay said...

Yeah, if I see any comment thread over 10 posts, I know I shouldn't even bother reading it. Just more dik, as always.

dikranovich said...
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dikranovich said...

"and the lonely voice of youth cries, what is truth."

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John O'shea said...

I think Strauss wrote an insightful well researched article. Does it go right at the core of Jurgen as a coach? Yes, he goes directly at Jurgen's credibility as a coach. "Friendly Fire" I believe mlssoccer.com called it.

What's Jurgen supposed to say back?
Well he says: "What does anonymous source mean? Rumors."

Merriam-Webster.com defines rumor as: "talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source"

An anonymous source is arguably not discernible, not identifiable to say the least. Further, the nature of the comments can not be independently verified. So is this information at least rumor-ish? I think so. Does that mean Bryan Strauss is a bad journalist? No.

Either way JK and the boys better win tonight or Mr. Strauss is going to have a lot more ammo, and probably eventually named sources.