Thursday, May 16, 2013

Klinsi calls 26

As you'd likely guess, there's a lot going on here that is beyond me. That's not to say I would call the coach's selection is poor - but it's definitely begging a few questions.

G - Brad Guzan (Aston Villa), Tally Hall (Houston Dynamo), Bill Hamid (D.C. United), Tim Howard (Everton), Sean Johnson (Chicago Fire), Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

D - DaMarcus Beasley (Puebla), Matt Besler (Sporting KC), Geoff Cameron (Stoke City), Edgar Castillo (Club Tijuana), Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy), Clarence Goodson (Brøndby), Fabian Johnson (Hoffenheim), Michael Parkhurst (Augsburg)

M - Michael Bradley (AS Roma), Joe Corona (Tijuana), Brad Davis (Houston Dynamo), Maurice Edu (Bursaspor), Stuart Holden (Bolton), Jermaine Jones (Schalke), Sacha Kljestan (Anderlecht), Brek Shea (Stoke City), Danny Williams (Hoffenheim), Graham Zusi (Sporting KC)

F - Jozy Altidore (AZ Alkmaar), Terrence Boyd (Rapid Vienna), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham), Herculez Gomez (Santos Laguna), Eddie Johnson (Seattle Sounders)

  • Once again, narrow and cautious appears to be in. Yippee.
  • So let me get this straight... the recently inactive trio of Shea, Williams and, yes, even Holden have proven worthy of call-ups, whereas Landon Donovan has not?
  • I hate to wonder "out loud" like this, but is there some kind of bad juju between the boss and the old/fairly reliable guard? I'd be curious to learn of the last non-January camp before Klinsmann arrived that did not include any of Donovan, Bocanegra or Cherundolo.
  • I've listed the squad as it appears on the USMNT release, begging the question of why both Beasley and Johnson were named as defenders when Castillo is around. Meanwhile, we've called one prototypical wing play presence. I still don't get it.
  • And, erm, why is it we need six keepers in camp exactly? I'll swap two of them right now for a look at Conor O'Brien. I'd trade three and a proper stein of beer to be served later to see John Anthony Brooks.

Oh, well. Bloggers can't be choosers.

- Greg Seltzer


Jolazo said...

Greg, what do you make of Klinnsy name-dropping Aron Johannson in his roster comments?

And 6 GKs. Lulz.

Greg Seltzer said...

Honestly, my first thought was that Jozy is apparently doing a fine lobbying job at AZ. Perhaps also Earnie. So maybe a chance has now developed for a guy who appeared fully gone in the fall.

Mike said...

no problems with this roster other than the whole leaving out Landon. Seems to have good cover for every position. Is there someone I am missing that should have been on here? Bedoya?

Mike said...

I would also like to see Fabian get some time on the wing and have Beasley play some LB.

Greg Seltzer said...

Fixed your post...

"I would also like to see Fabian get some time on the wing and have Beasley **come off the bench to do the same**."

Mike said...

So you want Castillo to play LB? I have not watched him this year so I don't really have an opinion on him. That is why I didnt mention his name

Greg Seltzer said...

Castillo, Parkhurst or Cameron, yeah. Defenders playing as defenders, attackers as attackers. We all keep wondering what's missing from the U.S. attack - it's playmakers.

Mike said...

forgot about Parkhurst. As long as he doesn't put Williams on the wing I will be happy!

Tee said...

One of the things that my coaches always did was put one or even two older (wiser?) players on the roster. You knew you weren't going to get to play in the big game, but during practice and strategy planning you had them there to add to the experience of the youngsters. Whether LD is fit or not, I can't tell from here, you'd think Klinnsman would want to have him there and....just in case play a little football.

Jay said...

He's cycling through the MLS goalkeepers as these games go along, thus the six. Timmy is #1, then Guzan, and everyone else is going to get summoned as needed over the course of the month. This is a good thing -- no one keeper actively playing with his club is kept away for three weeks straight.

Greg Seltzer said...

That is all true and fair, but my point was really more about checking depth at other positions with more or equally deserving guys who have yet to get chance one.

Freegle said...

Are we really using a World Cup Qualifying camp as a tryout for our third goalkeeper position?

There is double standard RAMPANT in this roster in the outfield positions. "Form and playing time for your club team is important!" (Except if you are Brek Shea, Michael Parkhurst, Landon Donovan, Ale Bedoya, Danny Williams... wow this list is getting long).

Tony M said...

And let's be real - what has Davis ever shown in a US shirt that he gets a nod over Donovan?

And no Dolo? because our full back play has been so sterling, right?

Geez, I'm tempted not to watch. Belguim is going to win and Germany is going to knock the silly snot out of US...I don't even want to think about the dreary 1-1 draws we'll see int he qualifiers.

J.D. Springer said...

I remain fairly confident that Klinsmann will be exposed as a fraud during this WC cycle. I just hope it's on the pitches of Brazil and not in Kansas City or Panama City.

Matt said...

Well, let's see...Shea, Williams, and Holden. My guess if they've been idle for a long time so this will allow them to work on fitness for the Gold Cup.

UnitedDemon said...

JK thinks he's showing strength, but he might in fact be highlighting his weakness. Well, one of his big weaknesses. He needs big time players to lead the squad. He can't. So far, Clint Dempsey has scored all the goals, Bradley is carrying all the weight in the midfield, and Howard is Howard. But none of the supporting attacking players are making a difference one the scoresheet. If the goals don't start coming from someone other than Dempsey, JK will have no excuse. It's one thing not to swallow your pride, but at least he could have a sense of self preservation.

heythisisrobbie said...

I think the time has come to go to the JK presser, Greg.

What has Shea, Holden done that Donovan hasn't?
Why would he immediately insert Chandler as a starter when he turned down invites for years?

Really funky stuff. It is obviously personal at this point with Donovan, Diskerud, Boca, and Dolo.

Unknown said...

I would be curious for someone to pen an article about the weird Catch-22 that has emerged for many USMNT fans, me among them. We do not like Klinsmann. We do not like his tactics. We do not like his rosters. We do not like how he is treating the players. We (at least I) don't like much of what comes out of his mouth or how I perceive him talking down to... well... everyone.

But we love our team. And we love our sport.

So. If the team we love loses, we suffer. And our sport in this country, at such a pivotal time in its evolution, suffers.

If the team we love gets results (results, we would say, IN SPITE OF, Klinsmann) then we are happy for our team and our sport in this country...

But we are disappointed that the results validate the coach.

I have never, ever, been disappointed by a positive result for the US. But I must admit, there has been a part of me that has been disappointed with some of our friendly victories... even our qualifying draw in Azteca... because these games served to validate a coach who I absolutely can't stand.

As a fan it is a very strange space to occupy.

dikranovich said...

it wasn't long ago that a bunch of us soccer fans who also loved their sport, and their team, but they just could not stand the coach, or his tactics, or his roster selection, and they too occupied a strange space.

with regards to bob bradleys treatment of his players, many fans probably yearned to hear the coach go off a little more, rather than sending his son out to take on any comers, which all in all, was pretty good stuff.

Anonymous said...

Kenny Arena?

Andy said...

Holden is there to train as much as anything else. The Bolton manager would love to see him train for these 5 games, train and play throughout the Gold Cup and start the season match fit and match sharp.

As far as Shea and Williams go, unlike Donovan, their club team is not mid-season, so calling them up and having them ONLY train doesn't hurt anyone. Calling up a key player of the defending MLS champions, DURING the season, just to train, is something else entirely.

Greg Seltzer said...

Don't believe anyone suggested Donovan should be called just to train.

Miguelito B said...

Klinsi once again trying to prove he's the smartest guy in the room. I just hope LD lights up the league so thoroughly that Herr Scheißkopf has no choice but to swallow his pride (and LD's load) and bring him in for GC and fall qualies. I'm very curious to see who he calls for the GC. It will be interesting.

And Herr Scheßkopf is a total fraud/quack. He sells snake oil on the sidelines.

dikranovich said...

its really not that hard to be a devoted fan of a team. you root for them unconditionally, you try and see them when they are in town, you maybe support the team financially, which fans do when the buy a ticket or a shirt.

im sorry to say this to all you fans bashing our coach, but that is in no way, unconditional support. its just attempted undermining of yet another coach, by a faction of "fans" who think they know better.

migelito, I don't know about you, but im the kind of person who wants his national team coach to be the smartest guy in the room, and he can prove that on the field.

we have a head coach, for better or for worse, and the devoted fan understands this. aint no devotion in replacing the coach everytime someone gets an itch.

Miguelito B said...

I was a devoted fan long before Klinsi got here and I'll be a devoted fan long after he's gone. Devotation to the teams does not equal belief in our coach. We'll qualify for WC 2014 bc we have the quality to get through CONCACAF, not bc Klinsi has revolutionized our team and advanced the cause. I'm not advocating a change in the coach, but rather a change in his coaching. Barring some unheard of calamity, I'd never change coaches during the Hex. I'll always bleed red, white, and blue. I'll continue to support our players to the end. I'll spend my hard earned money to stand in the stadium and cheer until I lose my voice. I won't however blindly support a coach who seems to be trying to prove a point at the expense of putting together the most effective team/system.

In short, a la tuya cabrón.

Greg Seltzer said...

I'm sorry... when did we promise "unconditional support"? And who decided that was the true hallmark of a "devoted" observer?


Miguelito B said...

Thanks Greg. I couldn't agree more.

jaredlaunius said...

Surely I can't be the only person who thinks Cameron as a right back because he plays "right back" for his club is hooey. Stoke doesn't play a right back so much as they play a fourth center back who stands a little closer to the right sideline than the other three. If Klinsmann's "progressive football" is emulating Tony Pulis, God save us all.

Cameron is 6'5", lacks end-to-end speed and his passing strengths are on the ground and diagonals, not whipped-in crosses. Pulis is one of the few professional managers in the world who would play him on the "right."

I think it's fine if he's an "option" at right back the way the way Michael Bradley is an "option" on the wing – i.e. if the players ahead of them on the depth chart who actually, yaknow, play the postion are hurt.

Am I insane? Cameron should be staring in central defense, no?

Greg Seltzer said...

Who should start in central defense may be the $64,000 question right now. I'm not sure Cameron is the right guy to start there against Jamaica and Panama - seems like the types of forward that give him the most trouble in there.

BH said...

After the JK presser I feel even more that either the guy has no clue what he is doing or he enjoys bsing everyone. Would be better if he didnt have press interviews at least then he would seem like such a hypocrite.

heythisisrobbie said...

"I just hope LD lights up the league so thoroughly that Herr Scheißkopf has no choice but to swallow his pride (and LD's load) and bring him in"

This made me literally LOL. Great line.

But even if this happens, JK will play it off like he "motivated" him, and Dik will agree :-).

dikranovich said...

what in the world did coach klinsmann say in a press conference that has people scratching their heads?

unless it was something about Fabian Johnson playing left wing. jesus greg!!!

that's got to be the funniest thing of all. here are the people bashing the coach for lord knows what, but then he offers up the idea of all ideas, and what do we hear about the coach??? not oh, its about time. no, nothing... my dog ate the homework.

you cant support a team, if you don't support the coach. let me rephrase that. you cant support a winning team, if you don't support the coach.

why is it so hard to understand this?

Greg Seltzer said...

Ummm, why is that directed at me? I didn't say anything about the presser.

In any event, you seem more interested in having a pope than a coach.

dikranovich said...

hello mcfly......

no greg, im interested in having a winning team and in the case of our national team, a world cup winning team.

Greg Seltzer said...

Ha! And you imagine repeating the same overprotective drivel will get it done?

World Cup winning teams aren't above criticism a year before the finals.

dikranovich said...

maybe there is criticism, then there is this unchecked, unrelenting, regardless of the coach, attack, which is not criticism, but could only be labeled as cynicism.

it runs rampant through our federation.

Greg Seltzer said...

Ah. And I suppose then this is your way of revealing that you are the official arbiter of which (if any) criticisms are valid?

If you have nothing new to say, just stop. I am no longer interested in allowing you to annoy everyone for the sole sake of annoying everyone.

dikranovich said...

anyone with any criticism of our national team coach, please, bring it forward and lets discuss it. if you don't like the way he answered a question, bring the question, if you don't like some tactics, bring the complaint.

we are not above rational discussion here. maybe a little below, but not above.

Greg Seltzer said...

Oh good grief.

Miguelito B said...

So, changing the topic. When will we know the Gold Cup roster? And any chance we see some guys off of U-20 & U-23? I'm guessing not many, but I would like to see a nice mix.

Greg: care to call out some predictions?

dikranovich said...

its interesting, but if you look at the asn100, this is the top 100 players in the USA rated by the likes of lalas and another brick in the wahl. so you know its a good list.

but seventeen of the field players selected for this camp are in the top 22 of the asn list. where is the ego?

if you want to know who is going to be called in for the gold cup, just look to the players who justed missed the cut that are at the top of the asn list.

two locks for the gold cup are Beckerman and torres. id say gatt and jac mac are pretty close to certain. dax is a strong maybe in a deep position. so lets see how things play out over the next weeks. oh, and Donovan is a lock for the gold cup also.

Greg Seltzer said...

Ohhhh, thanks for the crystal ball reading. By the way, is that the same ASN Top 100 that had Altidore at #9 while Klinsmannn was "motivating him" out of being "a problem" in the USMNT? The same list that currently has Guzan ranked below friggin' Zusi, Besler and Williams? Friedel below Rimando?

Oh well, if you say so...

dikranovich said...

its a good list greg, stop it, right now. that's just rude to be so hyper critical of such a well thought out concept. the movement on the list over its time has been very fair and just.

Greg Seltzer said...

Yes, how dare I. Wait... is it a good list or a perfect list?

Things that are perfect:
The ASN 100 list

Things that should not be allowed opinions:

NSC readers

dikranovich said...

anyone with any opinions regarding the USMNT and its head coach, please bring them forth, for open and honest discussion.

no man, or no list is infallible. maybe that could be one of the lessons for today.

Miguelito B said...

Here is my not based in fact completely divorced from reality wish list for the GC roster. Not all will be called, and some would probably turn it down if they were. Here you go:

El capitán L. Donovan
Mix Disk
J Paco Torres
Banji Joya
JA Brooks
Al Morales
Tim Ream
J Spector
G John
Kyle " I'm not a stoner" Beckerman
Dax Mc
Andrew Wooten
Joe Gyau
Brek Shea
B Feilhaber
T Boyd
S Johnson/B Hamid
Eric Lichaj
Adu (last chance saloon call)
Sean Franklin
Chris Pontius
Jack McI

I need more wingback/defenders, but this would be a good start.

Miguelito B said...

I forgot Agudelo. And possible Luis Gil. And Brad Evans?

dikranovich said...

not a bad list miguelito. I think from that under 20 squad, the first player we might be seeing with the senior team is going to be Daniel Cuevas

Miguelito B said...

Forgot about him. He's a good player.

Any thoughts from the group on Pablo Ocegueda?

Andy said...

Greg. re: Donovan (May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM post)

Because Donovan's a key player on a club team in mid-season, he should only be called up if JK is certain that he'll play. At this point, and I have to agree with JK here, I am not sure if he's ready to start and therefore not sure if he would play.

The standard for calling up Donovan is going to be different from the standard for calling up other players simply because his club team is still playing. Holden and Shea being called up doesn't hurt their teams and only helps the players. The same can NOT be said of Donovan. Were he called up and ended up riding pine (or worse, not even making the roster) little has been accomplished beyond ticking off the LAG.

Greg Seltzer said...

First of all, in reference to the qualifiers, I really don't concern myself with what emotional state the Galaxy would be in if he played or didn't play. I have no thought to this.

As far as his "readiness to start" or whether that means he has no use, you and I simply do not come close to agreeing. I say this constantly: form is temporary, class and experience are permanent. And his absence has been wildly evident in our recent struggles.

Besides... I'm not buying his stated reasoning. I find this all some sort of mind game on somebody/somebodies - and maybe not even on Donovan.

Andy said...

Were it me, I would call him up and start him - I'm a firm believer that we've been missing his assists even more than his goals.

That said, I'm not Juergen Klinsmann. I'm not a professional soccer manager with a long successful professional soccer career under my belt.

i.e., I don't agree with his decision, but I respect it. I can at least see the argument, with just 6 games under his belt after a long vacation, that he might not be ready for International duty yet.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if JK is not going to start Landon, then I can see not bringing him in. You don't bring in a guy to train and provide locker-room 'leadership' when doing so causes him to miss games for his club team. Outside of the FIFA dates, they don't have to release him; keeping good relations with MLS clubs allows these guys to be called into January camps and non-FIFA friendly dates.

Greg Seltzer said...

Frankly, I think his abilities as pressure valve and possession-keeper are as important as the assists.

But you do realize one can not start and still play, right?

Tom said...

Hey Greg, who else would be a likely object of such mind games? (Honest question!)

Greg Seltzer said...

The rest of the team? I really don't understand this maneuver, so it's just another guess in considering all strange possibilities.

Greg Seltzer said...

I also really don't understand how some folks seem totally fine and dandy with it. Very perplexing all the way around.