Tuesday, May 14, 2013

So... who wants to hear me curse in a manner to make sailors blush?

To borrow from Detective Mumbly, what in the razz-a-frackin' sass-a-frackin' mumblemumble is going on here?

My immediate reaction (not always the best one, of course) is that this strikes me like a silly showboat move. I do not like it. I do not like it one bit. And I can only assume that Klinsi knows this move would not go over too well in the USMNT bubble, drawing him heightened scrutiny and pressure.

Maybe Mumbly can figure it out because I'm befuddled. And displeased. I'll let you know if I ever get to genuinely concerned.





- Greg Seltzer

30 comments:

Jay said...

Same link twice, Greg. No idea what you're talking about.

Greg Seltzer said...

OOF. Fixed.

Tony M said...

With JK, it's always about JK, all the time. You are absolutely right this is hm show boating.

The guy is a clown with no idea how to handle people. Amazing.

Jay said...

Aaah.

Honestly? I kind of figured this is how it would play out. Klinsmann is sending his message about commitment: you're out for the next camp, which happens to cover five matches, but hey, push and you just might make the Gold Cup. I foresee Donovan making a few blurbs to the press about "working hard to make it back into the team," getting that Gold Cup call, working hard, and then being back for the last four hex matches, just in time for Mexico and Costa Rica.

Klinsmann gets to make his point and be the big man in charge of things, Donovan gets a little more playing time with LA to avoid getting called soft with the national team, and (presuming we don't lose one of those games) everyone comes out a winner. This is completely in line with Klinsmann's M.O.

I'm not saying it's a wise move, mind you. With Donovan out and Bocanegra almost certainly not getting a call-up, the team's two most inspirational figures are absent -- not a good position to be at in the midst of the hex.

Tony M said...

Jay, if this was the only time that JK "sent a message" or if there was consistency about his other decisions, I might give him the benefit of the doubt.

Greg Seltzer said...

I don't want to hear about commitment messages. Nobody wants to admit the guy had one proper break in over four years' time. In my book, taking a break WAS commitment to his body and mind as it pertains to the USMNT. It was needed for him to be at his best heading into World Cup.

dikranovich said...

i like the message because it means other players who have been playing just have to step their games up more and get the results which are expected from these next couple qualifiers.

Donovan has not come back and set MLS ablaze, if he had, it seems pretty likely he would be getting the call up. as it is, he has more work to do, and he knows it too.

regardless of the reason, you take the sabbatical Donovan took, at the time he took it, and that requires extra work to get back in the good graces. and if it didn't require extra work, that would be the biggest injustice of all.

Tony M said...

Sorry, dikranovich, but your answer only makes sense if JK had been consistent and transparent, and if there was any discernible logic (or track record of success) in any of the personnel decisions he had made.

dikranovich said...

he has made personnel decisions, and all in all, they have been sound. what is discernible logic? that which you agree with.

was it logical to not start boca in the Honduras game, and throw new guys into the fire? it is a fair question. another fair question is asking if those players will be better prepared in the future?

each case is different and requires different tactics. its not like we should be married to a freaking 4-3-3, because that's what the manual says.

we are setting good examples if we tell our players that they need to work harder, rather than coddling them, which has not worked for all these years. and we have been coddling players for far to long, and everyone knows it.

Greg Seltzer said...

Why are you commenting? And FYI, that's rhetorical.

Jay said...

I'm not saying Klinsmann is in any way correct... just that this is the expected expected outcome given a) what Klinsmann has said over the last month and b) his actions toward players in the past. You won't find me saying he isn't a little bit crazy, but he's become crazy with recognizable patterns -- to me, at least. Tony might still have problems with this. Frankly, I think Klinsmann has been completely transparent about this the whole time. When did he ever skirt around the notion of Donovan needing to earn his way back into Jürgen's good graces?

Greg, I agree with you -- I readily admit that Donovan hasn't had a break, and I readily admit that he needed one, and I readily admit that taking his sabbatical was a good idea for him. I'm with 100% on that statement. I also think it's 100% clear that Klinsmann wasn't ever going to see it that way. How is this surprising? I think calling in Brek Shea for the March qualifiers was a much bigger surprise than this.

DrewVT6 said...

why is Holden brought in at 80%, but Donovan's no good at 90%? Stupid.

Greg do you go to press conferences? Can you just straight out ask JK why he's such a stubborn ahole sometimes?

Greg Seltzer said...

When I'm at USMNT games, I typically skip the coach's PC to head down for player interviews.

Jay said...

Red herring. Holden isn't being brought in for qualifiers, he's being brought in for the Gold Cup.

Matt said...

I can't really believe that Donovan thought it would play out any other way. And, look, Donovan hasn't looked good for the Galaxy, and we were surviving without him.

I'm with Jay, bring him in for the Gold Cup, let him accumulate more minutes and bring him in for the last group of qualifiers.

Nothing to see here.

Greg Seltzer said...

Form is temporary, class and WCQ experience are permanent. And this team is sorely lacking in many of the things Donovan provides.

Matt said...

I won't argue that, Greg. And I'd love to see him out there. But I absolutely think there's some logic in this approach, in the sense that he's made Jozy and others "earn" their spot on the team.

Plus, I think WCQ games might be too much, too soon for him and increase the likelihood of injury.

Greg Seltzer said...

What has he gotten out of Altidore after the maneuver that he wasn't getting before it? The idea that Altidore was ever the problem is ridiculous by itself.

Matt said...

My sense is that it sends a message to the team that no cow is sacred, no spot assured, no matter your pedigree. And another subtext: the team is good enough to do this with our without Donovan or any other star.

Matt said...

As a complete aside: I am pumped at getting to finally see Frank Simek play in the US. I like that our domestic league is becoming a viable option for the second tier American player abroad. Its good for MLS, and, as a fan, I'm excited.

Greg Seltzer said...

Why is this necessary? Maybe we should spend more time trying to have an actual attack.

Matt said...

I have faith that Klinsi knows what he's doing. I mean the guy took Germany to 3rd place in the World Cup and won the damn thing himself. He can't be the idiot everyone wants to make him out to be. And so far the results on the field seem to support this.

(Note: I, too, would like us to have a better attack.)

Tony M said...

I'm sorry Matt, but really? Talk to people in Germany about where that 3rd place came from. Read what people in German football say about him. But even if we were going to give him the preponderance of credit for 2006, the very thing that drove that success was giving tactical control to his assistant coach. That is exactly what he has refused to do here. As a result tactics have been as conservative as any time since 1990, with no consistency and players consistently forced into unfamiliar positions.

Frankly, why he gets the benefit of the doubt at this point (over Donovan of all people) is beyond me. We flirted with disaster in the first round and it took a snow storm and crap Mexico finishing to keep us from being facing disaster this round.

Matt said...

If we are going to give all of the credit to Low, that's fine, I am familiar with that line of argument. I just don't buy it.

I may very well be wrong -- he might actually BE an idiot, but I look at this and I really don't see the big deal. Guy takes a break, misses key qualifiers, and has to work his way back in.

Donovan is a professional enough to get this and I have full faith he'll be on the field when we're in Brazil next summer.

heythisisrobbie said...

This wouldn't be nearly as appalling had JK not immediately plugged Chandler into his starting lineup.

I hate this guy.

BH said...

Klinsmann is making a clear mistake with this decision.

He and I just have different ideas about how people should be handled and what the USMNT needs player wise.

I hope that this doesnt end up biting us in the ass.

Tony M said...

Matt, you can “not buy" the argument, but you are certainly in a tiny minority there. Among my German friends, it is a nearly universal opinion.

When it comes to his handling of the US team, the triple d-mid tactics, inconsistent selection criteria, the preferential treatment given to players like Chandler and Williams, the transparent egoism behind his snubs of Jozy before and Donovan now, the playing guys out of position, etc., have long passed “red flag” status. What on earth has JK done with this team to earn the benefit of the doubt? We are scraping by just enough to obscure the fact that the program has regressed.

UnitedDemon said...

This move only makes sense coming from a manager who has his team humming along effectively and who has demonstrated that he has his finger on the pulse of the team, and makes adjustments accordingly.

We know that the team is not playing effectively, with two Dempsey goals in three games, nothing else. We know he doesn't have control of the squad, and is not personally responsible for any stand out performances.

He has no basis for keeping a team leader out of the squad, given that Bocanegra, Bradley, and Howard are the most courageous advocates for the team both on and off the field. Boca is fading out, but if players are the only leaders in this squad, get Donovan. Get him yesterday. Let him worry about player animosity, you clearly don't know how to handle it. That squad that tied Mexico didn't have a single German American on it, and the team worked for better with each other.

I like the German American players, but that team performance was telling from the perspective of American players playing together- they want to play together. Klinsmann has admitted that he doesn't feet it's his job to bring the two camps together. That says it all.

So bring him back, and let him face difficulties. Don't create them for your own sake.

dikranovich said...

well, Donovan did have a goal and two assist tonight, so maybe coach will think that is enough to call in the prodigal son.

Jeff Badger said...

I look at it this way...it's the 75th minute in Jamaica and we need a goal. Wouldn't it be nice to bring on our ultimate leading scorer in national team history to try to chase the result? You are telling me he can't help for 15 minutes? The same is true if we are trying to hold onto a lead.

If JK wants to make an example of him, just have LD come off the bench.