Wednesday, May 8, 2013

Thierry Henry is still the best player in MLS history

I mean. What.


- Will Parchman

12 comments:

UnitedDemon said...

Henry is the most talented player who has ever been signed by MLS, and will leave as a legend. But it might be selling short some players who have excelled for a decade in MLS uniforms to let a highly paid superstar from Arsenal waltz in and be called the best with a few bicycle kicks. We all know what he can do. He's done it at some of the greatest clubs in the world. Let's just call him one of the best all time strikers, and give props to the ones who made the league something he would even consider.

Will Parchman said...

I don't think it's selling anybody short. It's no great dishonor to be second to Thierry Henry. Not like he played for a half season and busted out.

UnitedDemon said...

I still don't think you can be called the best for a few highlight reel goals. NY hasn't won a single trophy since he's been here. If you ask me, he's not really in the conversation for "best." "Talented," absolutely. I just have a more long term view. I don't think you can be considered best ever, anywhere, without trophies and a huge compilation of evidence. Other players in MLS have that history.

Will Parchman said...

There are so many things that go into team titles that (I think) it precludes judging singular players on something singular players cannot control themselves. That's a separate argument in my mind. LeBron didn't need a title to be called the best player in the NBA. He needed one for his legacy or whatever you want to call it. Same goes for Henry. He's the best player in MLS history. I have no problem saying that. Are there more successful? Absolutely. But there are some crappy players who've won a lot of titles. Like I said, different argument.

And it's more than a few highlight reels, of course, these are just the most tangible pieces of evidence. Henry's movement, positioning and even short crossing are all still world class.

UnitedDemon said...

Yes, but Lebron isn't the best ever. For that, you have to look at Larry Byrd and Michael Jordan, with Magic Johnson a respectable third.

You don't become the best ever by being the most talented. You become the best ever by leading teams that make history to glory, as Larry Byrd and Jordan were able to do, with the rest of team built around them. Lebron is a beast, and Henry is on another level. But that doesn't mean we should hand them history because we're impressed.

To each his own, but Henry needs to win at least two trophies before he's in the running, for me at least.

jon said...

Haha, I don't really care to seriously jump into this discussion, but I find it hilarious that 2 trophies is your arbitrary measuring stick on this. So if RBNY won the next 2 USOCs (which, if that were to happen, Henry would probably only play like 180 minutes of each campaign) would that be good enough? Methinks probably not.

Anyway, it seems you two are starting with different definitions for "best player in MLS history" and trying to argue whose definition is correct. It sounds like a familiar argument...*cough*...MVP...*cough...

UnitedDemon said...

Of course we're arguing definitions. And as far as the two trophies is concerned, you're right, pretty arbitrary. But that's because I don't really see Henry making a real legacy with New York while he still can play that isn't individual brilliance. I'm trying to make it a reasonable possibility, but it just isn't. He can't compete with the long time accomplishments of Etcheverry, Donovan, De Ro, Moreno, or any of the players who have left an indelible impression on the league.

I don't think it's a subjective matter personally, best all time is pretty self evident. Names like Jordan, Federer, Woods, Messi. Henry belongs in that discussion- for Arsenal, not in MLS.

Will Parchman said...

Agree to disagree. For me, Henry is the best player in MLS history. You can choose who you wish.

dikranovich said...

jack mac has a .51 goal per 90 mins average, henry is at .53, Donovan is at .46. henry has 36 goals and 20 assist. Donovan has 125 goals and a ridiculous 109 assist, not to mention all the silverware. this should end the discussion.

dikranovich said...

its funny but if you asked a barca fan who they favor between stoichkov and henry, my guess is that the Bulgarian is going to top that list. oh, and in MLS, the dog has a .57 goals per 90 min average, and an even more ridiculous ratio of goals to assist than Donovan himself.

Ahmed Ali said...

gentlemen, this is not a matter of whether he has enough talent. we all know he does. think of it this way, this man has humiliated players from every major club and national team he has encountered. he may not be the greatest MLS player, but he is definitely THE best player the MLS has ever seen. and if we're talking trophies, i doubt any MLS player has more than he does at the highest level of competition. this man is simply electrifying and that is something we all have to agree upon.

Greg Seltzer said...

Heh... you'd be surprised how much we should all agree upon that is never agreed upon. :D