Friday, July 26, 2013

It might be! It could be! It's...

Let's not start shredding confetti for the welcome parade just yet, but NSC regular Jolazo brought something potentially exciting to attention. According to Kicker, Hertha Berlin back line prodigy John Anthony Brooks has been called up by US boss Jurgen Klinsmann for their August friendly in Bosnia.

While the article does not go so far as to explicitly state Brooks has accepted this alleged call-up, the tone of comments made by Hertha manager Michael Preetz (who I always liked as a player, as a side note) certainly could give one that impression. Been doing some checking around already, let's see if I can get an exact temperature reading on the situation.




- Greg Seltzer

19 comments:

Devin Mathias said...

Loving the irony of the player bio in the right column blatantly stating "Country: Germany"

Devin Mathias said...

This would be a good time for the ol' Facebook relationship status "It's complicated."

Jon said...

That's good news.

As an aside, it's quite sad no one wants any MLS players and with hundreds of millions being spent this transfer window there's not a single rumor of Euro interest in a single MLS American player.

You'd think if MLS were improving interest in our players would as well. Far cry from when clubs were after teenagers Jozy, Landon, DMB, Bradley, Adu, etc. We're not producing any top end talent.

Good thing we can still count on Germany to do it for us.

Dan said...

Never seen the guy play, but it's hard not to get excited about a 20-year-old center back who was among the five best defenders in the 2.Bundesliga last season (according to Kicker).

jon said...

I'm sorry, my capital J comrade, I think that's quite an extrapolation you're making. Because you (and European tabloids) aren't aware of Euro interest doesn't mean there aren't inquiries being made about young American players. But that doesn't really matter, because it doesn't fit your Germerican narrative.

Jon said...

With social media being what it is, you hear rumors and you hear interest usually if it's there.

Even if there's something going on behind the scenes, there's less interest this window than man windows previously.

Your lame excuses are just that, lame.

jon said...

Huh? Is my "excuse" the implicit assumption that you aren't one of these players or a player's agent or a European based journalist that specializes in American soccer players and has a reputation for being prudent? Those all sound like rock solid reasons not to make sweeping statements like "we're not producing ANY top end talent."

andrés said...

@Jon with a capital "J" , it wasn't too long ago that the rumor mills were abuzz with Brek Shea's next destination. it's not MLS' fault that he ended up at lowly Stoke (top 3 league btw) and that his stock has gone down.

not trying to be a fanboy here but give some credit to MLS being able to sign hammer down players like Gil, Zardes, and Yedlin to comfortable contracts because those players have had and will be getting more interest very soon.

WilkersonMclaser said...

Andres is onto something. We know that Graham Zusi and Matt Besler could get Euro contracts but opted to stay put at SKC. I think that speaks to MLS' growing strength as a league. My guess is that we'll see a transitional period where players stop flying to Europe at first possibility and choose MLS instead. In other words, a lot of the low hanging fruit for Euro leagues are increasingly unavailable.

Paul Poenicke said...

Thanks for the update, Jolazo, and I hope Greg substantiates the claim. Exciting if true. Brooks's inclusion is one of the few things that remained undone in a successful summer for the US men's team. Just win that Gold Cup, boys. (The US women should get props for making Canadians boo without apologizing. That is as close as most Canadians get to open rebellion.)

Amazing to see how much this team has progressed during the summer. Stomping minnows, swatting better sides, the US still has a ways to improve--integrating Donovan, Dempsey, and Jozy in the attack, securing the backline, and finding the right combination and formation in the midfield.

Jon, your argument seemed to mistakenly conclude that because the MLS transfer market has been slow during the summer (relatively, according to our knowledge), that the US is not producing any top talent. Beyond the excellent points made by jon and andrés, I would suggest that there is a decent enough pool of young US talent in Europe to supplement any possible domestic limitations.

More importantly, the US's ability to produce talent has changed improved even since Bradley's days on the youth side. With more opportunities for players to go to Europe, along with a stronger MLS and (still lagging) club development programs, the US is better situated to develop talent than even a half dozen years ago. Yes, progress on the international youth sides has not been evident, but that is mostly due to poor performances in elimination matches in various tournaments and does not entail success for the future. Mexico's current state is a great example: success on the youth side takes 2-4 years before most players on the U-18, 20, and 23 teams are effective first team players.

Finally, can we please stop using "Germerican" to speak of German-Americans on the US national team? I would never demean Mexican-Americans with a similar moniker, mostly because the chosen moniker, like "Germerican," can be easily crafted to implicitly link a group of unrelated players with a specific feature (i.e. Johnson, Williams, and Jones are all *Germ*-ericans, hence it is easier to see why their "sort" are polluting the play of the national team.) Let's take as many precautions as possible against xenophobia and utilizing false racial dichotomies, please.

WilkersonMclaser said...

Uh ... yeah, 'Germerican' is racist because you know how those yanks hate the Germans. That race, the Germans ...

Jon said...

@jon, we're not producing top end talent. Not at all. The average player has improved greatly and the level across MLS has improved. We have youngsters like Gil, Villareal, Yedlin, Okugo, Kitchen, JacMac who are good prospects. No ones doubting we don't have good prospects.

But, compare that to our soccer landscape previously, and look at the teenage version of Landon, DMB, Bradley, Jozy, Adu, an no, we're not producing the same level of top talent. Compare our U20 WC team with Landon/DMB to what we just had in Turkey. Years later and our U20 team is actually worse.

Right now Landon was an accident, no one can get close from MLS to the 10M bid Jozy got, no teen from MLS is getting bought and about to go to Heerenveen and do what Bradley did, no winger is about to leave MLS at 21/22 and do what DMB did with PSV. Take the German developed players off our NT, Jones and Fabian, and outside of Mike and Jozy who bolted to Europe and were developed more professionally over there, thankfully, we haven't produced any top end talent.

People just don't want to admit it. Scouts and agents have commented on it though and they do see it. Our truly elite players are worse than they were previously even though we have more resources than ever.

Jolazo said...

@Jon

You do realize that Rubio Rubin just signed a big deal with FC Utrecht and Junior Flores was inked by Borussia Dortmund last year right? These are guys who spent time in Bradenton before jumping to Europe before turning 18. Basically the same thing Landon.

Who's to say that those guys are the next Bradley or DMB? It's true that we don't have guys breaking into the A-team right now that followed that career path, but in a few years we will hopefully have those 2 plus Bobby Wood, Marc Pelosi, Will Packwood, Sebastian Lleget and others.

Paul Poenicke said...

@WilkersonMclaser-My comment emphasized the significant *potential* for these kind of racial statements to lead to conceptual errors and category mistakes. Create new social categories, assign that category a related noun and adjective form, and one can easily become confused.

See how Jon uses "we" and the related possessive "our" in his comment at 10:48. If these terms simply refer to MLS and the US domestic league, then what "we" produce for "our" national team might not be problematic (for example, players may be crossing over into European club sides earlier, skipping MLS altogether).

If these terms refer to the US player pool as a whole, then there might be a real reason for concern: if "we" as a national side cannot garner players for "our" national team, then this might indicate a systemic problem in the US soccer federation.

Moral of the story: Language can be misleading even if one does not intentionally mean to be confusing. (I think Jon's argument can be read in two ways and isn't as problematic in the second way as he thinks.) Extra care, therefore, should be used when using general group/race terms like 'Germerican,' especially when that term was used by fans to categorize problems revealed in Strauss's March story on the US national team.

Greg Seltzer said...

@ andrés:

Just to be clear, I do not participate in rumor mills - I am much more likely to smash them. What I offered back then was a list of clubs that had come out to watch him in person. I did not report any of those clubs as making offers or as being destinations.

And, as you can see, Stoke was on the initial list of admirers I revealed. :)

http://www.noshortcorners.com/2011/10/alright-enough-waiting.html

dikranovich said...

Why not talk about something relevant, like who will be on the sidelines Sunday? You know who my guess is.

Greg Seltzer said...

Start a thread on your blog then. :)

dikranovich said...

To much trouble I'm in Montana for the rodeo and merle haggard. But we can still keep it real right here.

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