Wednesday, October 9, 2013

Hello CONCACAF Muddah - One Mo' Gin







- Greg Seltzer

27 comments:

dikranovich said...

its interesting, but when you think back to "the article", by mr. bS, brian strauss himself, its uncanny how off base it was.

coach klinsmann was teaching the players, and they maybe didn't even know it.

there is a very nice progression at work here with our national team, and it is based around the idea that winning is possible now at even the highest level.

the coach makes it clear that there is more work to be done, and that more is expected out of every player.

I think there are very good things to come, and it should be noted that USA achieved perhaps its greatest victory every at a world cup in, Brasil.

John said...

@Dikranovich: Well said!

Greg Seltzer said...

It's not well said, though. The article was not off-base at all. Klinsmann had as much learning to do at that time as the team did, if not more. For instance, since then, he's learned how to use his top striker in the best manner.

dikranovich said...

ouch!!!

downintexas said...

JK has really come around. Some times I still scratch my head with his roster selections and what not. But he as learned the difficulties of playing in CONCACAF and he has learned the team, who plays well with whom, not starting 4 Dmid in the game. I'm really hopeful for Brazil I think we can do great, depending on our draw.

matthewhamlin said...

Greg, any thoughts on this analysis of the odds of USMNT being seeded?

http://soccer.si.com/2013/10/08/2014-world-cup-draw-us-not-getting-top-eight-seed/

dikranovich said...

downintexas, coach klinsmann might not be starting 4 d mids anymore, but he still will start three of them, as evidenced by our lineups at the gold cup, which produced some nice results.

im not so sure why people want to grab on to this idea that playing with central players was some kind of misjudgment by the coach. maybe in reality, it was something else, that was larger than just playing danny Williams at right mid. as if the world was falling because of it.

Greg Seltzer said...

First of all, you really need to grasp the large difference between Gold Cup and World Cup.

Secondly, there was not one single minute of the Gold Cup played with three D-mids. I'm not even sure how you figured as such.

dikranovich said...

hello greg, but kb, mix disk, and jose torres all started the 5-1 drubbing of el Salvador. 6s and 8s are d-mids in my book, and so is Beckerman. that's three.

greg, ive been watching world cups since 1978... alright, really 1982, but that's long enough to understand the difference between localized events and world events.

downintexas said...

Dikran,

WE started winning games when we brought in some wing play. I don't see Mix as a Dmid at all. Attacking mid yes. And last I checked we won't be playing El Salvador in the WC.

Props to JK for turning it around. I really think the B. Strauss article made JK and the veteran players sit down and hash things out. And you have to give JK tons of respect for that, a lesser coach would have lost the locker room

Greg Seltzer said...

On what planet are Diskerud and Torres D-mids? When have they ever been used as D-mids for club or country? C'mon, man. Get serious.

jon said...

Greg, have you seen Grant Wahl's latest interview with JK where he says Evans and DMB (with Fab and Castillo next in line) are his first choice fullbacks?

dikranovich said...

greg, it is pretty clear that jft has seen more than a good bit of time for his club teams as a deep lying playmaker. in other words, yes, he is a defensive midfielder. same goes for mix disk.

when it is convenient people will call Jermaine jones a d-mid so they can say the USA played with four d-mids, and they would be correct. even if you don't consider jones a defensive midfielder. same goes for torres, or Williams, or Beckerman, or even mikkel. edu too, and Bradley.

downintexas, I appreciate some of what you are saying, but USA was winning before Honduras, as well.

don't you see some credence in coach klinsmann coming in to a new team and feeling like his best approach was to secure the middle of the pitch? which is the place where goals were being scored against us, whether it was rossi for Italy, or boatang for Ghana.

coach klinsmann tasked himself with the process of securing the middle of the pitch, at the expense of a wider approach, which tends to be more likely to bleed goals.

you only need to poke your head into the dutch league to see how this whole thing works.

Greg Seltzer said...

@ jon: Have not yet, no. Maybe right now, but it'll change. You watch. And frankly, I'm not exactly sure how he can feel Evans has earned that distinction.

@ dikranovich:

Yes, of course. Mix and Torres are D-mids, Almere is part of Amsterdam, I'm a liar, water isn't wet and the sky is purple. We know.

"... at the expense of a wider approach, which tends to be more likely to bleed goals."

Erm, the "wider approach" refers to attack. And if you think a wide attack means leaking goals, I have a bridge in Whoville to sell you.

As for the Eredivisie, if you go off topic on some custom reality tangent meant to school me, I'll drop those off-topic posts, too.

dikranovich said...

jon, on what planet are evans, dmb, f. Johnson, and Castillo fullbacks? oh never mind, its on this planet.

dikranovich said...

yes to our boys as d-mids, and yes to almere as part of amsterdam. no to the next two, just a matter of misinformation. and yes, the sky was purple yesterday here in Virginia. October skies, gotta love em.

Greg Seltzer said...

Yeah... of the two of us, *I* offer misinformation. Classic.

dikranovich said...

No, it's more like you saying I called you a liar. That's misinformation. Or like you saying an own goal was going to be judged a deuce goal. Now that is classic

Greg Seltzer said...

Wow. Lie more.

Greg Seltzer said...

I think we're now back to me ignoring you altogether. I don't care what you say about me or my opinions, but I cannot converse with flat-out reality customization nonsense. You assume as fact, give opinions as fact and then debate facts as if opinions. And when all that fails, you just make shit up. Not enough time in life for all that.

dikranovich said...

reality customization??? greg, you don't have to ignore my opinion, because you can just delete it, like you did today, even though germane relevant quotes regarding our coach and team were posted.

is this what you mean by reality customization?

it is crystal clear now, six months later, that brian really was trying to manufacture a story. the quotes are there to back this up.

and the real truth is that US National Team coach Jurgen Klinsmann had the tactical acumen all along.

dikranovich said...

hey, on a very sweet note, a big congrats to our girl abby wambach for getting hitched. and in Hawaii to boot.

hang ten babe!!!

paul said...

on a less aware note....
i just realized Goodson's not in the roster.

hrmmm...... that's a bummer.

dikranovich said...

dude, he was just added ten minutes ago.

dikranovich said...

paul, are you psychic or something?

John said...

@Dikranovich: Yeah, I remember some people thought the sky was falling after the bs article came out back in March. I just stayed calm and laughed at the people who were panicking in some of the forums like Big Soccer, but to be fair a lot of people in that site go crazy after a loss. It's really hard to take an article seriously when there's a bunch of anonymous sources.

Greg Seltzer said...

@ John: What exactly gives you the idea that anonymous sources are automatically suspect? I use anonymous sourcing, usually when the source does not want to be revealed. It's not uncommon or inherently unprofessional in any way.

You folks still on this really need to come up with something more substantial than personal perception to label someone a huckster. As I said at the time of the article, I can vouch for some of the revelations in that article.