Thursday, January 9, 2014

Yup. That is a wrap. (updated)

The Roma press officer just informed me that Michael Bradley has now been removed from the selection for tonight's Coppa Italia match. Arrivederci Roma.

UPDATE
: The radio host who interviewed Alberto Faccini says the TFC deal is for six years.




- Greg Seltzer

59 comments:

justinwkoehn said...

Think Bradley will join camp cupcake during his down time?

Greg Seltzer said...

I suppose it is possible, but I have no idea what the plan is at this time.

dikranovich said...

he better..... does anyone remember that coach klinsmann worked for Toronto FC?

Greg Seltzer said...

Why better he exactly? He is about to move his family across the world. This requires his attention, too. Besides, Klinsi may not be able to see what he wants from the midfielders if Bradley shows up. I would assume, even if he does turn up, it will not be until later in camp.

dikranovich said...

no, youre right, they are probably already on the way to brasil. the team im talking about.

junior will be in that south korea game though, that is a certainty.

gerry belsha said...

over/under on some MLS hack taking him out with a hard slide and killing his WC hopes

dikranovich said...

unlikely, junior does not hold the ball that much, and he is just too aware.

im not sure about the field in Toronto though......

dwc414141 said...

Didn't Klinsmann say something about anyone wanting to go to Brazil had to either be playing in a league during January or go to the camp?

Greg Seltzer said...

Yes, well, I think we all learned that saying something at one moment in time does not necessarily mean it will hold water a little later. :D

justinwkoehn said...

It would be great if the signing stipulated an immediate loan to EPL for this next month.

Mike Biscoe said...

I hate this deal. Ugh. I depressed and going back to bed.

dikranovich said...

Toronto plays on grass, so no problems there. This is great and it gives Bradley a chance to really shoulder something bigger, and he is going to be playing with one of the MLS all time greats in DeRo.

Neal Hollis said...

Greg,
Other sites reported that Bradley was being shopped by Roma as of Jan 1st.
I don't understand - if the "coach and the club suits" loved him so much, why would they shop him around? ANd you said they were unhappy about the Toronto FC deal, but they don't seem too unhappy to me.
It seems to me that Bradley was never appreciated as he should have been - he was efficent and smart, and energetic, but not as flashy as some Roma fans had wanted. This coupled with that god-awful "Americans arent as talented" stereotype that we can't seem to shake, may have left to his departure. IDK - this is just me guessing/venting. I'm not thrilled with all this, but I think maybe my feelings will change once I've accepted it

pete said...

sad day for yanks abroad fans

Jay said...

Nah. Technically, he's still abroad. He's just going to visit more often.

downintexas said...

Is it possible that he stays in Roma it the end of the season and join Toronto after the WC????

justinwkoehn said...

With him being taken off the sheet today, it doesn't look like it. If I'm not mistaken, Defoe is going back to the spurs until MLS preseason though, so I guess Bradley may of had that option and declined it.

Jon said...

I cannot believe he wasn't more patient and put more consideration into those other offers.

Can't believe Mikey just threw away his prime years to come to MLS, a decent league but nothing even close to a top 10 league. Mikey was the last person I thought would do that.

Sad day when that completes our top 3 NTers all chasing paydays instead of playing at higher levels.

dikranovich said...

I think we might be seeing the beginning of promotion/relegation, and we don't even realize it yet.

It's funny, but you know the same fans pushing for pro/rel, these are the same types of fans that want Bradley in Europe. Think about it!

Greg Seltzer said...

@ Neal Hollis:

What sites reported that? Roma had no intention of selling him and did not shop him around one iota. Those things have by now been widely reported.

And, yeah, Roma is not pleased to have him go. They did not want this move. Bradley did.


dallen said...

I left my hometown because there were no jobs paying what my job in Phoenix offered me. It's a small town, not a ton to do, no career growth for my field.

If a company offered me a 550% raise to move back to my lame hometown, I'd be there so fast your head would spin. Just sayin.

corky said...

The reactions to this have been interesting. We have no idea exactly why it happened, but here's some thoughts.

1) His salary after tax is jumping something like 300% (I've seen reports it was $1 million net in Italy and assuming 50% tax on the $6.5 million in Toronto.
2) He has a wife and one year old son. God Bless Italy, but I have to think raising a child in Toronto is a little easier than Rome.
3) He may have just gotten fed up with trying to climb the ladder in Europe. After Frontzeck screwed him at Gladbach, he had to reprove himself at Chievo. He did, got his transfer to Roma, and now he might think he's getting screwed again.

Who knows? We probably never will know the real reason.

In any case, good for him. I have a feeling a lot of us would make the same decision. He doesn't own anything to anyone except his family.

UnitedDemon said...

@ corky. He owes us his best play at the World Cup. Not his best effort. His best play. JK, for good reason, has been pushing players to find time to at least train at the highetst levels. For Bradley and Dempsey to ditch Europe this year for pay days, good god, that's selfish. The sporting structure of the US is dependent on them to increase awareness every four years- without which, the growth of soccer in this country is weakened. Even if we don't advance, we need heroes, not settlers, to capture the imagination of a non-soccer nation like the US.

Zach said...

Apparently this whole transfer happened in one day, so I don't buy any of the "Bradley was tired of pushing forward in Europe" or whatever. MLS had the cash for the fee, TFC opened the checkbook, Bradley couldn't say no.

Tom said...

@UnitedDemon:

Michael Bradley is a fully-actualized human being. He owes *us* nothing beyond common courtesy and obedience to the law.

UnitedDemon said...

Human beings still have responsibilities. Common courtesy can be extended to waiting till AFTER a national event to settle. The whole "owners/players/clubs" owe their fans nothing is a really admirable thing to say out loud, but is equally full of #$%^. We certainly don't own him, but we sure as hell don't have to respect him any longer, or support him, if he decides to throw it away for a pay check. Fully actualized, and throwing his international career under the bus. Yes, he's absolutely letting his country, himself, and his fans down. Fact is, what he does has consequences, or he wouldn't even have the opportunity to make millions by giving it up. That's the price you pay, and Toronto was willing to pay it. Bradley is not being the leader we need him to be, pure and simple.

UnitedDemon said...

Let's be real here. Dempsey could still have competed at Tottenham, and got some minutes this season- or he could have gone back to Fulham, or another EPL team to compete. Instead, he took the massive pay raise, and got his family stateside.

Bradley was also in a battle, but it sounds like this new guy wasn't brought in till Bradley made an ultimatum. This isn't the case of players needing to come home for a bit to work things out. This is money, family time.

You want to support this, but I can't. Not in a World Cup year. If they weren't the two most important players for the national team, I might. But these guys no they've got responsibilities, but decided that US socer, the one time in four years the country pays attention, and the sport in this country gets a shot in the arm, is less important than a deal they could have made anytime they wanted. They're good enough to play in Europe at a high level. Clearly don't feel that responsibility is worth, not even sacrifice, but perseverance on a minor scale.

jon said...

Wow, dude, wow. I'm not sure who I should feel more sorry for; you, the venerable everyman of us soccer fandom, or poor Michael Bradley who is about to have all his grit and skills and sharpness waste away in the next 6 months. A shame really, after all the time and effort he put in to build up those qualities and then *poof* they're gone.

Anyway, thanks for the great read. I had been seeing lots of snippets of that kind of sentiment, but it was nice to see a fully formed version of that ignorant rant.

UnitedDemon said...

What kind of group do you think we're playing in this summer? The group of "yep, bring your best effort?"

No. We've had a lot of success since Bradley and Dempsey and Jozy moved overseas for a reason.

No, his abilities won't go "poof." They just won't be as sharp as Essien's. And that's all it takes.

I was in the "wait and see camp" till Dempsey made his move. That's when we found out what giving a player a huge pay day, bringing him back to a lower, rougher league with huge hype, and expecting him to be superior to everyone else by that margin. It's a bad situation, worse than just being a normal player. Magee and Will Johnson have every chance of having better MLS seasons than Dempsey and Bradley, what then? The point of playing overseas is to compete with the best, which actually relieves pressure- having that chip on your shoulder replaced with pressure and a price tag, that's not great for our boys right now, especially since they're expected to be in their prime.

I'm not ignorant, I'm paying attention. I guess wanting to compete, man by man, with Ghana is a serious flaw. Every man of the US soccer fandom has a right to be worried. If you're indifferent to what happens this summer, and how this all fits together, then you sit back, and be entertained. We fought like champs, that's all that matters, right? If that's who I'm talking to, switch over to golf, it's more restive.

dallen said...

UnitedDemon, you're bringing some of the dumbest thoughts I've ever read in a soccer comment section.

That's no small achievement, my man. If dumb comments scored goals, Man City would be lining up record bid for yours. If the delusional projection of misguided ambition onto professional athletes could do step-overs and beat defenders one-on-one, you'd beat Ronaldo out for playing time at Madrid.

jon said...

I don't think Essien is in the playing situation you think he is...

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"If you're indifferent to what happens this summer, and how this all fits together, then you sit back, and be entertained. We fought like champs, that's all that matters, right? If that's who I'm talking to, switch over to golf, it's more restive."

This kind of projection and all your talk about common courtesy and responsibility from Bradley is my main problem with your comments. We can agree to disagree about whether playing in MLS will severely impact Bradley or Dempsey or Donovan's performance at the WC. But all the extra bullshit you're heaping on everyone that doesn't agree with you is, well, bullshit.

downintexas said...

United,

I agree with you but I'm not worried about this Summer. Yes it is the group of death, but we can advance.
1. If we can neutralize Ronaldo we have a good shot against Port. 2. Ghana is not the team most US fans think they are. Yes they have been our bogey man the past two WCs but that was 4 years ago. And if you remember we were out playing them except two costly errors. From a player who was a back up. This WC most of your 23 squad members has a legit shot at starting any game. I think we can get 5 points and advance.

That said, I would prefer MB to play in England or some where in Europe. But MLS is not a horrible league. Remember who carried us last WC? Just some no name MLSer

Kirk Diggler said...

Michael Bradley is 26. He is what he is at this point in his career. If he improved by staying in Europe it would be only incrementally. Most of the improvement he's made In Italy has been mental, not technical. He learned not to chase the game.

He is the player he is. While I'd rather see him in Europe for SELFISH reasons, I don't think going to Toronto and MLS will degrade his ability overnight. Landon Donovan has been and arguably still is our best player, even after all these years of playing in a "crap" league.

Simple fact is, it's more important for MB to get 90 minutes a game leading up to the WC then it is for him to struggle for PT with a highly competitive Roma team. Bradley has nothing left to prove in Europe. He's been a first choice 11 in 3 different leagues now. He's proven he's good enough for Europe.

He is not good enough to start on a Champions league club unless it is something comparable to what Kljestan does. So with that said, why stay in Europe and earn middling wages when he can come to MLS and score a huge contract in the prime of is playing career?

MB is what he is. He's our best midfielder. He'll be in Brazil. Whether he is in Italy or Toronto, it will have no baring on whether we get out of the group stage. We'll need some timely goals, our back 4 to coalesce, and perhaps just a wee bit of luck in order to have the privilege of losing in the round of 16 or the Quarterfinals. Just the truth.

UnitedDemon said...

This is my reaction to our two best players coming back to MLS in a World Cup year, specifically for a major pay increase and family stability. Clearly, deeply negative.

All of this being said, players coming back to MLS for DP contracts, our league becoming more insular, this is a brave new world. In the short term, in context, I think it could absolutely be disastrous. In the long term, I don't know.

The league has certainly progressed, and money, and clubs willing to throw their weight around, is changing things. From the beginning of our ascension as a soccer power, the World Cup was THE most important event. It gave life, it gave interest, it inspired young players to take the sport seriously. The balance has always been, USMNT first, MLS in support.

This is a big split in that dynamic- frankly, I don't think it's time. But if this is what we can expect in the future, I guess that will change. If the league wants to take point, they better deliver the goods. Preferably, this summer. Prove me wrong.

dikranovich said...

UD, you are one of those "I hope im wrong, but I doubt it" types.

there is a way to handle you, but to break ranks with it, I think the best thing to do, is tell you that you are wrong.

the ground swell that is soccer in America is going to grow the sport through the club ranks, not the national team, and that's really all you need to know.

Jonathan Wallace said...

^ such a condescending comment. oy vey.

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over there said...

I want to love it. Intellectually I know I should, but I can't. I just wanted to see him succeed in Italy. I suppose he did already, but I wanted to see more.

That being said, I wish him luck. He more than earned the right to do as he damn well pleases. And all of our soccer fanboy hopes and dreams aside, the man is no kidding financially secure for life now. That is nothing to sneeze at.

brian said...

@ Jon - please list more than 10 leagues that are in your opinion 'better' than the MLS

"MLS... nothing even close to a top 10 league"

TrueCrew said...

So, of our three most accomplished field players: Deuce slumbers in Seattle; Bradley takes the money and runs from Roma; Jones is out at Schalke; and Landon stays put.

Not good news for the WC. We are going to get trounced.

Scott Peterson said...
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Scott Peterson said...

It's a good move for MLS, no doubt by upping the competition and bringing big names in. Money talks and so does being close to home. Lalas nailed it with we only see this kids life for 90 minutes once or twice a week. He has a wife and a kid to think about. Also, what if he goes and plays for pops at Stabæk for a little bit until March. At least there is a means to an end. Grandmas gotta be missing that baby!

Freegle said...

@ Brian on behalf of Jon:

England, Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Portugal, Netherlands, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina, Mexico.

Arguably, a few others.. Greece, Denmark, Turkey, etc.

Matt said...

By the way, in all of this, it should be noted that Tim Leiweke is a complete baller. He pulled of the biggest transfer (or one of) since Bechkam. In 2 days. I think it's exciting for the league and good for Bradley.

This whole interpretation of the transfer as a referendum on the state of US soccer, Bradley as a man, the ability of US players to succeed abroad is a bit overwrought.

He succeeded in Europe. And the next up and comer will stand on his shoulders and go further.


Matt said...

And, yes, I'll mix metaphors.

dikranovich said...

freegle and truecrews, you two should watch the world cup together this summer, and if you invite ud and a couple others, you all can discuss how much you think you know about soccer. mazel tov!!!

John said...

@dwc414141: Yes, but Bradley's move was made with the January camp already in session. He might join the team later on but it wouldn't surprise me if JK just gives him a pass.

Jon said...

@Brian, 10 leagues better than MLS? Are you serious? You know nothing of the game if you think MLS is a top 10 league. It's not even near the top in the Americas. MLS would get trounced in the Libertadores.

England
Germany
Italy
Spain
France
Portugal
Netherlands
Denmark
Russia
Greece
Ukraine(yes, not even close at the top)
Championship
Mexico
Brazil
Uruguay
Columbia
Argentina

There's 17. J League is improving quickly and there's some good clubs in Africa as well. There's also some 2Bund clubs who's throttle some of the poorer MLS teams. What doesn't help is MLS clubs can't win CCL, yet the CCL representatives have done terribly in the CWC, getting knocked out by clubs from Africa, the Middle East and Asia. They get stomped by Euro clubs. To even surpass some of the South American leagues MLS will need to compete in the Libertadores. That's how Liga MX is proving they can compete on that level.

dikranovich said...

jon, I think it is fair to say that mexico is more than holding their own in copa libertadores. they have put two teams in the finals of that event since 2000 and mexico has a third team that has won a copa sud America.

at least you can identify our competition.

brian said...

lol @ everything below netherlands on your list. good effort tho.

John said...

@brian: He's right though. The MLS is a top 15-25 league in the world.

dikranovich said...

john, 8th, 10th 15th, or 20th, whats the f'ing difference.

three blind mice, see how they run, where the f*&k are they going?

John said...

@dikranovich: Calm the f**k down. There are 10-15 leagues around the world that are better than MLS, it is what it is.

dikranovich said...

john, let me try and be more clear about what im saying. we got fans in this country, our country, that don't believe in MLS. the league is beneath this segment of fans, and it aint like there are soccer fans overflowing into the streets here in America.

it hurts me terribly to hear American soccer fans say that MLS is not up to their level of astute knowledge, and so they must go watch the "best" league in the world, the BPL, advertising the commerce of the country as well. it hurts john!

how does that poor sap feel, who wants to go watch Orlando city in the USL, or maybe that fan who has been a cosmos fan for longer than most of us have been alive. what about these fans? this is the life blood of soccer in America, not the prick advertising the british game and its commerce.

don't we want more fans into soccer here in America???? I don't know, maybe it doesn't have a clue.

Jon said...

What the hell are you babbling about?

Acknowledging where MLS stacks up doesn't mean you're not a fan of the league and don't support it. Likewise, to be a fan of MLS doesn't mean you have to ignore all other leagues and build MLS into something it currently isn't.

It's a growing league bringing in it's best NTers which is ranked somewhere between 16-25 world wide. Acting like it's ranked 10th world wide doesn't somehow make you a better supporter of the league.

I watch MLS, pay for DK, go to matches, I'm not a problem for the league as a fan. It's the delusional fans who keep acting like it's top 10 and a fine alternative to top 4 footy and Garber can do no wrong which are more the problem.

The inferiority complex among MLS diehards runs deep, where they think supporting the league equates to never criticizing and blind support.

dikranovich said...

jon, dude, if you support MLS, you are free to criticize. ok, so don't worry yourself so hard.

however, if you are American, and you criticize MLS, and you don't support it, then you are a total d- bag, and you are hurting the growth of soccer in our country. very clearly.

in fairness, you could criticize MLS and not support it, and still be American, but only if you are supporting USL or NASL.

Greg Seltzer said...

That is funny, last time I checked Americans were supposed to be able to do as they please and like what they want. Except, of course, call other commenters names on my blog.

seamusx said...

I think dik needs to read some Eduardo Galeano:

“Years have gone by and I’ve finally learned to accept myself for who I am: a beggar for good soccer. I go about the world, hand outstretched, and in the stadiums I plead: ‘A pretty move, for the love of God.’ And when good soccer happens, I give thanks for the miracle and I don’t give a damn which country or team performs it.”

dikranovich said...

greg, It does not think it is funny.