Thursday, June 19, 2014

As expected...

We have an official selection update for the Portugal clash.






- Greg Seltzer

23 comments:

Pragmatic Idealist said...

So what is everyone thinking JK will do? AJ? go more 433 and bring in zusi, davis, or green?

Just curious....

justinwkoehn said...

I think it's a 4-2-3-1. If Davis starts out on the left, I bet Green will get his chance to sub in for him in the 2nd half.

Someone made a good point on another site though that Dempsey isn't that great at being a lone striker, so maybe they'll keep the 4-4-2 Diamond and start AJ along side of Clint.

downintexas said...

Some one took Donovan's spot. Time that person steps up to the plate and prove Klinsman right

UnitedDemon said...

I'd like to see Bradley deeper again. Our possession has got to improve, and Bradley has been losing a lot of the ball further up the field. Don't think sitting deep and playing three DM's is going to help a whole lot against Ronaldo, us sitting too deep will allow their skill players to break us down.

It's going to be AJ, so I'd vote for Zusi and Bedoya to start on the wings with Dempsey in the middle. We need as much passing fluidity as possible, as AJ isn't going to be the best hold up player. Pass to feet, move the ball around. Limiting Portugal's time on the ball, as Germany did, will keep Ronaldo from getting into the groove of destryoing defenders.

justinwkoehn said...

UD: Do you bench Becks or Jones then?

The scary thing is that a tie may be enough to get us in, so do you opt for more attacking players? Short answer: Yes, because you want your wingbacks to stay home vs this Portugal offense, not have them blaze the flanks like JK has had them do recently.

Pragmatic Idealist said...

Both Jones and Bradley have played some of their best in this set up. I say don't mess with the midfield.
Bedoya has been fantastic defensively with his work rate and that will be needed.

I just don't see a lot of changes- add in AJ and alter your tactics a bit.

UnitedDemon said...

@justin, I'm sitting Becks. Jones has improved, maybe he could pull it off without Beckerman on the field. I don't really see Zusi's inclusion as a huge defensive let down, especially since Dempsey will play deeper, and we'd have more control of the ball.

@ Pragmatic. Us disagreeing? Get out. In all seriousness, I don't think we can realistically maintain the same formation with AJ as our target. Jozy allowed us to play with three DM's because we could loft the ball up for him to chase and hold it. AJ has no such ability, he's going to need the passing game to be less direct. It's not a matter of keeping the same formation with different tactics, his inclusion in the game has to take precedent.

Pragmatic Idealist said...

Nothing wrong with disagreeing.

I don't think the plan was to ever loft it up for Jozy to hold. It was to be played out of the back and played over the top or to the feet.
Jozy scored his second goal against Nigeria over the top and hurt his hammy going 1 v 1 and racing with the ball.

I do think they target the wings more than the center to move away from the CBs but I don't think losing Jozy dramatically changes what they want to do. It just loses our best ability to make that play 1 v 1 and Jozy is a better combination player.

I think AJ is still a very good combination player. I think what is lost is that 1 v 1 ability. But over the top balls, through balls, and combination play all are still the plan for the US to penetrate and still fits AJ.

I really think what many are missing is that the current tactics do no rely as much on back to defenders hold up play as people think. Its not Jozy's best skillset (despite his physique) and no one else in the pool does it at an elite level.

I think the plan has always been to attack and other ways. Ghana is really a bad example of what they wanted to do... they were missing passes everywhere that they normally connect routinely.

And it was that lack of midfield possession and not as my Jozy that hurt the US relieving that pressure.

dikranovich said...

Wondo has Native American blood, so say what you will, but that means a lot, though I did just realize tonight in the Eng v uru. Game that it gets dark early in brasil.

Wondo
Deuce junior
Jj beckerman bedoya
DMB Besler Cameron Johnson

UnitedDemon said...

"Over the top balls" means you have to fight a defender for it. Jozy won the defender battle before pulling up with the hamstring. AJ never won any of those battles against Ghana. I think he's capable of doing something with a through ball on the ground, but he's not the BODY we need to stave off defenders until help arrives.

We couldn't string passes together like normal because we didn't have Jozy to bring the whole plan together. Bradley couldn't just loft the ball up the field for Jozy to bring down. AJ's instinct is to dribble. If he's stuck up top with no support, he's going to lose the ball, plain and simple. Jozy is able to bring down balls, drag them to the corner and take players on. It's not so easy if you can't bring the ball down and muscle out some space for yourself.

This why I'm shocked Terrence Boyd didn't make the cut, as AJ and Wondo are sure fire sub players, not starters for this team. I say get more players who will get balls to him and take on defenders so he doesn't need to as much.

dikranovich said...

Upon further review:

Deuce
Bradley mix
Jj beckerman bedoya
DMB Besler Cameron fj
T Howard

Pragmatic Idealist said...

I would be cool with that.

Pragmatic Idealist said...

Not having jozy had nothing to do with missing passes short or missing passes over the head of bedoya on switches

Aj should be able to win battles over the to outside backs. I don't think Ghana was a typical or good example of his abilities

Unknown said...

This is completely incoherent. What could your first paragraph possibly mean?

mark said...

Having Duece up top by himself is not a good way of using him. He has a strong tendency to drop into the mid. Having him battle CBs is a waste and takes away from how he plays. Hes best playing off of someone facing goal. I personally would go with Wondo. AJ did not look good up top as a target couldn't hold the ball. Wondo though not a target has good off the ball movements and is a pesk in the box

Freegle said...

The build up to this match underscores how much Klinsmann has hamstrung himself by constructing this roster so poorly. I believe an underrated omission is A CDM with fresh legs (Mo Edu) because we have decided to play all of our CDMs at once. As a result we are going into a cauldron of oppressive conditions and we have only one CM available as a sub (Mix) if we keep the same formation. A forward with the potential to have some physicality and hold the ball up to relieve pressure (Boyd/EJ) and a creative, experienced player who can pick out a pass that will skin defenses better than American ever and was born to lead counter-attacking soccer (No need to name him) might be useful against a team that will have more possession and has a penchant for getting caught up field. Is it sour grapes on my part? Maybe a little bit. But, one cannot analyze the preparation and potential line-up for this game without recognizing that many of the potential selection questions/problems were created by Klinsmann's 23-man roster selections and omissions.

Because of the lack of depth this team has, I feel like we have to switch up the formation and player selections, especially with the Manaus weather being so oppressive.

So... GK - Howard, RB - Chandler (son, go mark Ronaldo), RCB - Cameron, LCB - Besler (Brooks if you don't trust Besler's health), and LB - Fabian. CDM - Bradley and Beckerman central with RM- Zusi and LM - Bedoya wide, and Fwd - Dempsey Fwd - Johannsson.

This allows Beckerman to defend, Bradley to lay a little deeper (which I think he excels at more than what the 3 CDM formation asks him to do). Dempsey will need to be more of a facilitator underneath Johannsson who is playing along the back line and trying to take advantage of a relatively slow Portugal central defense.

I also think this gives us versatility with subs, having Jones available to take Beckerman's spot if we are chasing the game a little bit and need someone who can push the game, or Bedoya/Zusi if we are in survival mode. Beasley will be available to come in for Chandler or Fab if/when they are overtaken by the heat. Mix can take Dempseys spot if he is too hurt of AJ and push Dempsey further forward if he isn't.

And Wondo, Green, Davis, and Yedlin can continue their roles as cheerleaders who are either not good enough or not yet ready to contribute meaningfully to a World Cup match against a strong European squad.

Jacob Klinger said...

Couple things I want to throw out there:

How much better, if at all, do you think Wondo's hold-up play is compared to Johannsson's?

If Cristiano Ronaldo's out in advance of the game, move Fabian Johnson into midfield?

dikranovich said...

Regardless of how anyone feels about the roster selection, at this point, if USA beat Portugal, and Germany beat Ghana, which takes place before the USA game, then we are through.

Deuce will fare fine up top if he is asked to play this position, and it will mean less defensive responsibility, and getting mix into the game will give USA much more chance to control the ball.

Based on current standings and form, I'm not sure why on earth freegle you would want to sit jermaine jones against Portugal, especially with your euro centric pov. It just doesn't make any sense to me. None whatsoever.

It just so happens that this Portugal game is the most important game ever for the USA. No pressure!!!

dikranovich said...

USA need to get on Portugal early and often in the jungle. This Portuguese team is ripe for the fall, and truth be told, they probably already have a defeated attitude, which is why they are talking about Ronaldo being 100%, when the whole of the soccer world knows this not to be the case.

We defiantly need to be showing Portugal some physicality Sunday night, right from the opening bell. This needs to be a take no prisoners game.

Since jones barely covered more ground than our wing backs against Ghana, we should surmise that both DMB and Fabulous Johnson will be fresh and ready to impress.

dikranovich said...

Gosh, I forgot about g. Zusi. He takes the mix spot and all is well.

Third time is a charm

Deuce
Bradley zusi
JJ beckerman bedoya
DMB Besler Cameron f.johnson

Freegle said...

I'm going to regret getting into this...

This is most certainly NOT the most important match in US Soccer history.

My Eurocentric POV does not stop me from being objective and to me, JJ has more value as a sub than Beckerman does because he is more versatile. Regardless, its an unnecessary problem to have. All we had to do was include a 28 year old CDM with world cup experience instead of a 32 year old one-trick-pony wide MF whose only meaningful international experience is an 18 minute sub appearance vs Mexico.

It baffles me how you come to some of the conclusions that you "surmise."

Freegle said...

I'm going to regret getting into this...

This is most certainly NOT the most important match in US Soccer history.

My Eurocentric POV does not stop me from being objective and to me, JJ has more value as a sub than Beckerman does because he is more versatile. Regardless, its an unnecessary problem to have. All we had to do was include a 28 year old CDM with world cup experience instead of a 32 year old one-trick-pony wide MF whose only meaningful international experience is an 18 minute sub appearance vs Mexico.

It baffles me how you come to some of the conclusions that you "surmise."

dikranovich said...

Freegle, I've been fighting psychological warfare against naysayers such as yourself for years now, and I'm glad to see it's starting to pay off. Go tell it to the frisbee tosser.