Friday, September 5, 2014

And so it continues...

How much is enough to feign the slightest sign of concern about your Qatar World Cup, FIFA? The world needs to get over this more money = more freedom sickness. Preferably well before 2022.








- Greg Seltzer

26 comments:

Dany Tzvi said...

so many people are silent about this, it seems nobody in the football/football journalism arena is speaking up. go greg. prayers for the slaves in arabia

dikranovich said...

One of the keys to remember when traveling abroad, is that we are all subject to the rules and laws of the local jurisdiction. Or emirates, or whatever.

What I'm really trying to say, is that everyone better clean up their own backyard, before they go knocking on their neighbors door. Actually everlast said that. He who breaks the law, goes back to the house of pain.

Greg Seltzer said...

Yeah... so why is FIFA going to Qatar then? This is directly related to the World Cup, not some vague faraway link.

Jesse said...

That is nonsense dikranovich. These guys didn't break the law. They are journalists covering a systemic level of human rights abuse of workers that we haven't seen since the serfs in Tsarist Russia.

The existence of human rights abuses in one part of the world does not condone them elsewhere. There are tens of thousands of aid workers and advocates working on behalf of migrants in the United States and Europe. And yet there is still room for improvement. The world is not a utopia, but that doesn't give Qatar carte blanche to go ahead and treat people like cattle and disappear people when they report on the abuses. We are reaching a critical point where if FIFA won't act, we as a world community are going to have to up the ante so that their corporate sponsors and the governments like Switzerland that allow them to do business force them to act. Personally I think the families of Nepali victims should be suing FIFA for billions of dollars in EU/Swiss courts. These guys only understand their financial bottom line, and their negligence needs to cost them.

Carl said...

To add to what Jesse said, Quatar is part of the United Nations as a member of that governing body they have agreed to not allow slavery within their borders and have agreed to give the UN the authority to prosecute states that do not hold to this standard. Since Quatar has agreed to the statues of a worldwide organization that our nation is a part of we absolutely have a right to hold them accountable when they do not adhere to the international rule and law they have agreed to submit to. We as citizens of a country agree to an implicit social contract to adhere to the laws of the country we reside in or we are punished. Quatar made the concious decision to join the UN and thereby operate under its international law, like citizens of a country who ignore their social contract they should be held accountable to the international laws they have agreed to...rant over.

At the end of the day that doesn't really have anything to do with FIFA, but is really just a response to Diks comment.

Why FIFA would continue to involve themselves in this is shocking though.

Dany Tzvi said...

neither quatar nor qatar are accurate transliterations, but qatar is closer :)

qatar's obligation to obey UN principles is a debatable topic... the country is not a party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights or the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. It is legally acceptable for UN members to not oblige by treaties that they are not a party to.
There are a few documents, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states who join the UN must oblige by no matter what. The UDHR, however, is vague and not enforceable.
The two aforementioned covenants are meant as enforceable clarification to the UDHR.
So the debate is...
Are the ICs an effective extension of the UDHR which Qatar must abide by?
Or are they independent treaties which Qatar is free to reject?

FIFA don't care. it's like the episode of south park where a TV nanny comes to cartman's house. when the nanny puts him on timeout by sitting him on a chair, he gets up and walks away.

the world is the nanny. fifa is like cartman (albeit more repulsive and morally corrupt). there is no tangible threat to fifa whatsoever. sepp blatter has no morals. okay. lots of people in the world have no morals.

and on the topic of obeying local laws, i will say this: every country violates human rights, very few countries practice state-sponsored slavery. after genocide, slavery is pretty much the worst thing a nation can do.

dikranovich said...

So the Qatari police are holding the men, and the British embassy has sent someone for a visit. These men are being held and interrogated for having violated the provisions of the laws of the state of Qatar.

Greg Seltzer said...

Good grief, it must be so tiring to be you. Out of morbid curiosity what laws did they break? And where exactly did you get this info from?

This should be grand...

dikranovich said...

Greg, for someone who lives in Amsterdam and break dances all day, you sure are an uptight prick, aren't you?

Obviously, they are being held on suspicion of breaking the laws of Qatar.

You don't come to Arlington, Virginia and start taking suspicious pictures, then when the police ask you. Not to take those pictures, you go across the Potomac and start driving circles around Pennsylvania ave.. A person does that here in America and they are likely to end up in a dark basement answering some pretty serious question.

UnitedDemon said...

diik, if you can't see the arrest of these journalists as an extension of the oppressive nature of Qatar, and their unwillingness to have any negative press come their way due to their investment in the project, than you are a mor@n. If you can see it, you've taken heartless trolling to a new level.

Tom Shenk said...

Of course the Qatari government is freely admitting today that they snatched these guys.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/08/world/middleeast/officials-in-qatar-confirm-detention-of-britons-researching-migrant-labor.html

justinwkoehn said...

Poor working conditions are just one of the problems. Taking away a person's free will and forcing them into those conditions is modern day slavery. Yes, Nepalese people are very poor, which makes them very vulnerable and why they are being targeted with this bait and switch.

Greg Seltzer said...

I am an uptight prick because I would like to be informed of the supposed charges of law-breaking and where you found this info (which you clearly made up from thin air for no other reason than to be an unbelievable asshole)?

Muh huh.

And by the way, I told you to stop talking about other people and flinging slurs around. So congrats, I will be deleting every single post you make until I decide not to, no matter how benign it is.

Greg Seltzer said...

I am an uptight prick because I would like to be informed of the supposed charges of law-breaking and where you found this info (which you clearly made up from thin air for no other reason than to be an unbelievable asshole)?

Muh huh.

And by the way, I told you to stop talking about other people and flinging slurs around. So congrats, I will be deleting every single post you make until I decide not to, no matter how benign it is.

Dany Tzvi said...

dikranovich is still mad that harriet tubman never got arrested

heythisisrobbie said...

Dik may go down as the internet's greatest instigator, but he has taken it a bit too far on this one.

dikranovich said...

baba booey, baba booey!!!

Greg Seltzer said...

The longer you persist at setting your own standard for behavior around here, the longer I will wholesale delete. Take a sabbatical and try again with a fresh attitude toward the community here. Or continue to be a intentional toddler - your choice, but *I* set the standards here. End of.

dikranovich said...

greg, you presented a point of view with the Qatari story. I commented, and then followed up with further info, which was corroborated by tom shenk and the new York times article.

amazingly, after the shenk post, you accuse me of making up, from thin air, exactly what the times article says.

I don't know, please explain to me where I was flinging slurs at our community here.

or not.

dikranovich said...

isn't the real point, that American fans feel hard done by the process, and for that, Qatar is catching more heat.

its a hard truth to swallow as well. I mean, come on, does anyone out there actually think working condition are better in Nepal?

Greg Seltzer said...

Short answer to your real point question because I am not jumping through all your BS hoops: No, that is beyond nonsense.

And I find it amazing that will lie your face off when anyone can just scroll up from here to see that you called me a prick for asking a perfectly valid question based on your whackadoo remarks.

Now, stop.

dikranovich said...

The comments are really only for you Greg.

Greg Seltzer said...

Bullshit. Right now, they are for everyone but you. And you made it that way. Better recognize.

dikranovich said...

You are deleting comments, that don't fit into your view of things. You are pretty much doing the same kind of things the Qatari government probably does.

Hmm, what comment will you delete next.

Fortunately, you either have to delete the whole thing, or not. I don't think you can delete part of my post.

Greg Seltzer said...

Yes, I am just like the Qatari government (which previously you rushed to the defense of)!

Ffs already.

Dany Tzvi said...

the real point is that we, AS AMERICANS, have an innate OPPOSITION to SLAVERY and FASCISM

NOT ALL LAWS ARE JUST

DEFENDING QATAR for arresting journalists who break FASCIST LAWS is wrong

are you mad we didn't arrest harriet tubman? are you mad we fought against the nazis in wwII (hello godwin)? are you mad at MLK for breaking laws? are you mad at gandhi? nelson mandela? jesus?