Saturday, October 25, 2014

So let me get this straight...

This is the Sunderland line-up today. Jozy Altidore is on the bench.



This was the Sunderland line-up last weekend... ya know... the one beat 8-0 by Southampton.



So, basically, his team gets shellacked and heads are gonna roll, and then he replaces two attackers from the blowout loss. With two players (Johnson, Rodwell) who were amazingly on for five of those goals in just a half hour. Nobody sits in defense. The precious protected midfielders Cattermole and Larsson remain as starters. Buckley, with exactly zero goals or assists in 401 EPL minutes this season remains. Do bear in mind this is a team that has been shut out in four of six league games and conceded multiple goals in half of their eight matches to date. This is a team that cannot (or will not) hold possession, crosses less than four times a game despite overly relying on set pieces for offense and has attempted exactly three through balls all season. Then they all wonder why the strike force has only rung the bell in one of eight games.

Here is the kicker: the best team they have played so far this term is probably Spurs.

I said it last season and I will say it again. Gus Poyet either has no idea what to do here or he is too led by the nose about what others think to do it. Some will say he saved them last season, some will say it was Wickham, and credit goes to the manager for that. Pfft. The sudden desperation of hanging on to paychecks and the midfield deciding to work for the team finally saved them last season. It says here Poyet will not be around for another salvage mission.

I am sure some will think this rant is all about Altidore. In reality, it barely is.




- Greg Seltzer

30 comments:

dikranovich said...

Altidore just does not have a great first touch, and we now know how Sunderland values defensive strikers.

Jozy is going to get more chances. He probably should have pushed for a move to hull, and returned to a team that has a little more flow about it and you can't call Steve Bruce and incompetent manager, but Sunderland did offer the bread.

Matt said...

Worst move ever. Jozy should fire his agent and get over his love affair with the Premier League. He simply doesn't score when on the field for Sunderland. I see why he sits.

TrueCrew said...

Or another explanation would be that you have a huge man crush on Jozy, who really isn't that good of a striker. Especially on a team playing with one forward and won't see much possession, he is poor.

Speed not good enough for a threat over the top, poor in the air, average (at best) first touch.

Anyone who can't see this by now (including Jozy and his agent) are just plain blind. Put him on a team that dominates possession and he can move off the ball decently and get into some decent positions. But isn't going to create much on his own beyond the odd cutback for a shot. And he does have a nice shot from distance.

Greg Seltzer said...

@ Matt:

None of their strikers get to score much, and all of them are at least somewhat capable.

@ TrueCrew:

What part of this barely being about Altidore did you miss?

dikranovich said...

This stuff is barely about altidore, just like bugs bunny was barely about a rabbit.

You waskilly wabbit!!!

Greg Seltzer said...

Okay then... quick question, Elmer: Other than mentioning that he was on the bench at the very beginning, how many times did I mention Altidore in my rant?

A: Zero.

Drive home safely.

dikranovich said...

Well,since I consider the whole thread a rant, I count two mentions of altidore. Once in the first sentence, and once in the last.

Greg Seltzer said...

What you consider to be something is irrelevant. And You clearly cannot or will not practice reading comprehension. I said OTHER THAN the opening mention. And the last sentence is clearly not part of the rant.

And stop posting random nonsense. Stay on topic or start your own blog.

dikranovich said...

And the real kicker, the best team they have played this term is not spurs, it's only the all time winningest team in premiere league history. Who they drew with by the way.

Since we are practicing reality here at NSC.

Greg Seltzer said...

Hey, if you think Man U is **currently** a better team than Spurs, then good for you. I do not.

Greg Seltzer said...

And even if Man U is better than Spurs, they are only incrementally so.

dikranovich said...

Now I guess you think the standing are irrelevant. The standings are clear, Man U is two points better than spurs, with about 50 minutes in hand.

I think you should apologize, not to me, but the other readers, and admit defeat on this topic.

dikranovich said...

Believe me, right now Greg is actually trying to rationalize how he can debate that a van gaal led team, one of the storied in world football can be seen as inferior to a team that is third best in its own city.

dikranovich said...

I could explain the reasoning behind all of this, and believe me, it is very Machiavellian in nature.

dikranovich said...

I'm sorry, forth best in London. West ham are *currently* better also.

dikranovich said...

Not to put to fine a point on it, but if crystal palace don't blow a two goal lead yesterday, Tottenham are fifth best in London, and that's including their home win today. Where is the shin guardian when you need them?

Greg Seltzer said...

Standings are not meant to measure who is the best team, let alone after just 10 games. Standings are made to measure who gained the most points through results.

Like I said, if you think Man U (and West Ham, har-de-har) are better teams than Spurs, great. I do not. Let's move on to the issue of Poyet's managing of Sunderland, otherwise known as the topic of the post. Thanks.

Greg Seltzer said...

And please stop posting five times in a row inside 20 minutes. Try decaf instead.

dikranovich said...

Yes Greg, Sunderland have the most draws in the epl. They have drawn Man U, as well as the team you consider to be better than united.

You should know that a team that has been fighting like Sunderland have, you can't just make wholesale changes, you have to give these guys a chance to keep fighting. And Sunderland did fight yesterday, against a pretty solid team. The third such they have played in nine games

brian said...

clearly this is ALL ABOUT jozy... and just another post so that dik, er greg, can rant about in the comments.

Greg Seltzer said...

If you can read English, you know it is clearly not. And if you have two brain cells to rub together, you know I am not that clown.

Altidore is not mentioned other than to explain he is on the bench in the first snip and to clarify this is 98% not about him in the epilogue snip. It is about him in so much as this is the team that he plays for and that we have watched excessively for 14 months.

Stop making everything about me and about being a disturbance or I will start deleting your off-topic/insulting comments, as well. Or if you assholes persist in disrupting NSC, I can just shut it down. I have no patience for this sad, attention-seeking bullshit.

Greg Seltzer said...

Fine, have it your way. All such off-topic remarks will be deleted without reply. I am tired of 2-3 people making it their mission to disrupt any conversation here.

dikranovich said...

brian, you are from the old espn days, aren't you? you know im not greg, please stop antagonizing him.

greg, this is BS, im crushing these debates, and you don't want to respond to points being made, and it is garbage.

you posted about how dumb poyet is, and based on the pretense that he has not given jozy his fair chances, or has blamed him, or whatever. poyet going into the arsenal game, other than the blowout at Southampton, had only lost one game all season. they have drawn with big teams, and regardless of who gets the credit, the team survived what was a very ugly start to last season.

I don't know, it seems like there could be fair discussion on the merits of playing in MLS or going to Europe, or whatever subject, but there is not, because people already have preconceived notions of what is what.

dikranovich said...

you are sitting there squabbling over who is better between tottenham and man united, and freaking sunderland have tied both teams this season.

will you please riddle me that batman.

Greg Seltzer said...

Yeah, and they lost 8-0 to Southampton and then the guy came back with all the players from that mess in the next game. You are big on sent messages, what kind of message did that send?

He has no ideas left, if he ever had any. He complains one day that the team did not adequately shop for players, then on another day he says all personnel decisions come through him. And meanwhile, this team is no better (or even more organized) than when he took over. Besides, last time I checked, 38 draws gets you relegated.

dikranovich said...

Well poyet is probably not being nominated for any world football coach of the year awards, this year.

Joe Bailey said...

I think that's basically what Greg was trying to say here. Jozy debates aside. I hope he stays at Sunderland and the club gets a new coach, preferably from the continent...

dikranovich said...

JB, I guess I was poking a little fun, because of the fact that coach klinsmann, much maligned among some people, is on the list. And to your point about a coach from the continent. Diego simeone, an Argentina, is at the top of the list, coaching a Spanish club team.

Joe Bailey said...

Diego Simeone, to coach Sunderland? No, really?

dikranovich said...

im sorry jb. there is a coach of the year list, and coach klinsmann is on the list, along with simeone. poyet is not on the list.