Thursday, February 19, 2015

Big, fat sigh.

Do you ever feel like FIFA is simply allergic to doing the right/wise thing? I do.




- Greg Seltzer

35 comments:

dikranovich said...

What really bothers me is all these American fans who are showing such great concern for European football leagues. It is really rather pathetic, and exposes a serious disconnect with reality..

How could an American be so freaking concerned with European league scheduling?

The whole concept of this thought process is convoluted, and speaks against the ideals of the beautiful game and it's world wide growth.

I mean, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, Africa and Asia just held their continents largest event. Big time soccer events can take place right in the middle of the European season, and it really ain't that big of a deal.

I'm telling you, these "fans" crying about a qatar World Cup. You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves. And it is not just a couple of fans either.

Bring facts to the table, if you are trying to debate this issue.

Greg Seltzer said...

Riiiiiight, because it is just about the scheduling of Euro leagues!!

Give it a rest. We already know you are perfectly fine with bribery and human labor trafficking, and we already know you think we are all mere shells of the fan and reasonable human you are. You do not need to serve the same word salad everyday.

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Greg Seltzer said...

What did I just say? You are done discussing this issue for now. Other people exist, ya know.

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dikranovich said...

Luis figo might be bringing forward some of the best ideas yet. It might be time for the USA and England to rethink their support, and maybe take note of David Beckham.

At the very least, you combine the support of the two candidates and you have something.

Greg Seltzer said...

Figo is fairly cuckoo, which explains why you like his ideas. But that is not the topic here, thanks.

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Greg Seltzer said...

If you persist, I will go back to deleting all of your posts, proper or not. You are not going to dominate every post and drive others away any longer.

justinwkoehn said...

+1 on deleting all posts. Also why have all the FIFA corporate sponsors remained mum on 2022? Besides major associations pulling out, corporate money would be the second biggest influence.

Andy Palmer said...

It will be interesting if the Big Five European leagues decide that they aren't going to change their schedules or release their players for a Winter world cup...

Freegle said...

If this happened, it may be the ridiculous/indefensible decision that finally signals the end of FIFA. This would hurt all european teams (and as a result all higher level players) monetarily. FIFA has survived because despite its corruption, it still contributes to putting money into teams pockets. If they started taking it out (as this would) there may finally create enough negative groundswell for someone to challenge their monopoly.

Greg Seltzer said...

Very good point, and I considered that. But this Qatar World Cup remains easily avoidable for legit reasons.

brian said...

seriously, what else can FIFA do before the fans, players, and sponsors start boycotting, or protest. FIFA is clearly only out for its own good and they won't stop until they are forced to. Greg get the word out #NoWCinQATAR start the movement! and DIK - you really want to see this WC take place in Qatar, in December?!

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Tony M said...

God what's wrong with me? I agree with dik here.

Putting aside the issue of it being in Qtar (which it shouldn't), a one time shift in schedule with an eight year advance warning? Sorry - it can be done. Why is it okay that other leagues halt every four years or be without their top players?

downintexas said...

Greg are you going to host a MLS fantasy league for No Short Corners readers? Thanks

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Greg Seltzer said...

@ Tony M:

Umm, do you also agree with him that human trafficking for the labor and a clear case of bribery to get the bid in the first place is no problem? Because this is not merely a schedule shift we are dealing with here.

PAQuaker said...

Don't really care when it is or if this means the US will get the WC in 2026. FIFA is essentially condoning the use of slave labor and atrocious working conditions to build its WC facilities. Does anything else really matter? Tens of thousands are essentially working as slaves and thousands will die. Moving the WC to Nov/Dec or giving the WC to the US is just not important.

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Dany Tzvi said...

@PAQuaker hundreds of thousands in Qatar and millions in Arabia. 15 million in all of Arabia is a quite conservative estimate.

Tom said...

"one of the first things I would want to know was how many migrant workers have worked on building American owned or run properties in Qatar, and what were the number of deaths, if any, and what were the working conditions on these projects"

This proves far too much--apply this thought a bit more rigorously and the only recourse you would have to really be ethical is to give away all your wealth and belongings and work only for charitable organizations forever, and agitate that all other people do the same.

You have to draw the line somewhere--I am a soccer fan, and therefore when a soccer event includes major exploitation I have a dilemma.

dikranovich said...

Tom, you quote me, but not fully, only what you desire, to try and prove your point, which is not very clear.

There is no point of clarity, nor much fact coming from the side against the employment of migrant workers in Qatar.

Tom said...

The rest isn't relevant, dik. People worry about one thing and you broaden the scope and say "why aren't you worried about the larger tragedy?" well, why aren't you worried about the even larger tragedy? There's no really consistently principled way for you to *stop* widening the circle, once you start.

Tom said...

Also, sorry if I'm not being clear, but I think that it is obvious that if you care about a thing and patronize it and evil is done in the name of that thing, you have a right to be upset even if that evil is a subset of a larger evil with which your association is at best deeply indirect.

dikranovich said...

Tom, hypothetically speaking, if the World Cup were taken away from qatar tomorrow, what happens to the migrant workers? Would they be better off, or worse off?

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Greg Seltzer said...

What part of stop is not getting through? Every time I come back to the computer, you have regurgitated yet another smash hit excuse song on the album of pro-slavery disgraces. In 3-4 different posts.

The longer you persist, the longer I will delete everything you post here wholesale. As of right now, it is already gonna be a while.

Tom said...

Hey Greg, sorry if I'm engaging when you'd rather people not. What I'm engaging with did seem on topic, more or less.

Apologies if not--I can certainly drop it.

heythisisrobbie said...

I hate everything about the Qatar cup, but I don't have the energy to be up in arms about it. I'll still watch almost every minute of it.

What would be interesting was if the Top 5 leagues refuse to release their players. Advantage USA.

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