Wednesday, July 15, 2015

Bob The Builder

We make a lot of fun of English media outlets around here - and then there is FourFourTwo magazine, which gets respect. The new issue ranks the current top 50 managers in the world, and hey whaddyaknow about that? The US of A has two coaches on the list, Bruce Arena at #46 and Bob Bradley all the way up at #24.

In UK football speak, that essentially means the magazine thinks he is Championship playoff-caliber. In fact, they are digging his scene so much, the former USMNT boss also gets his own glowing feature article.

While we are on the topic of papa Bradley, feel free to take a knee as the Stabæk manager gives his mid-season review.






- Greg Seltzer

23 comments:

Freegle said...

There's a relatively glaring absence on this list.... not that I think it's wrong. I only wonder how someone with so many blindly faithful followers could not make it?

Adrian said...

Freegle, what are you talking about? Klinsmann is clearly pictured in the article on the 8th best manager in the world! http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-50-best-football-managers-world-2015-no8

Tony M said...

Adrian, I see what you did there and I LIKE IT!

Freegle said...

I can't wait until we win the world cup 2 cycles from now with Bertie Vogts as our manager and people try to give Klinsmann some credit for it!

justinwkoehn said...

Most Germans give him credit for laying the foundation of the turnaround. Not sure why Americans are so cynical about it. Huge turnaround from Euro 2004 to WC 2006, a respectable finish for a host country.

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dikranovich said...

Justin, another way to look at it could be to say that German was in the finals in 2002, and they only made the semis in 06, and that was on home soil for Germany. Is it fair to say Germany did worse in 06 than they did in 02?

justinwkoehn said...

It is, if you recognize that Germany was in complete disarray by 2004 and switched out coaches because of it. Context is an important thing to consider.

Tony M said...

What he is given credit for in Germany is bringing US fitness methods to Germany and expanding the player pool to include German's from other ethnic groups. Those are actual accomplishments.

What he was always criticized for was tactical ineptitude and an inability to clearly define roles and responsibilities. (This was true for the national team and Bayern Munich) Considering that the German team tactically has not only not missed a beat since he left, it has improved, that's a fair bit of evidence that Loew was the tactician.

As for the US context. We have always been known for our fitness - which is why he bought over our methods. It is ironic that he has over emphasized fitness 9at the expense of ball skills and technique, I might add) and it has had diminishing returns, at least in some cases. (Matt Bssler, anyone?) He recruited German nationals, which was not a new approach for US soccer, but I'll make the assumption that he was able to persuade one or two that we may have otherwise missed. (Bradley got Jones, by the way, easily the most significant off the German Americans thus far) Until recently, he has failed to recruit Hispanic Americans, partly I believe because he doesn't value their game - a mistake for anyone who wants to shape American soccer.

Tactically - well, does even the most ardent supporter argue that he is a good tactician? His consistency in using players out of position shows how little he values technical and tactical knowledge over "fitness" and "attitude". Contrast this with the way Columbia and Costa Rica punched way above their weight at the last world cup. Hell, contrast this with the way Bob Bradley had the US punching above its weight at the confederations cup...

Nothing about this is cynical and is fully in context.



dikranovich said...

Justin, your context should include the facts that German was in a group with holland and Czech Republic in 2004. That was two strong teams to be grouped with, and the rolls did not go Germanys way in 04. This whole disarray narrative I'm sorry to say is really just a myth.

What are national team coach has done in the past is of no consequence anyway, unless it is relevant to the team today. It looks to me like our team is heading in a good direction under coach klinsmann, even if he might sometime have a problem with selection issues, that not everyone agrees with.

J.D. Springer said...

How did a Bob Bradley post degenerate into a Klinsmann referendum?

God knows I didn't agree with every move Bob made as MNT coach, but the guy is a pretty good coach and an even better human being. Glad to see him get his due.

dikranovich said...

JD, you make a great point. The truth is, Bob Bradley is probably the bookmakers favorite to be next coach of the U.S. National team. It makes sense to me that he and Bruce are probably about even favorites to be the next manager of our national team.

Dany Tzvi said...

USSF axing bradley in late july in the middle of a cycle set his career back maybe 10 years. i was extremely upset at the time and still am, really, at how we tossed bob out. i dont care if we had the lovechild of albert einstein and alf ramsey lined up as our next coach, you cant pull shenanigans in the middle of a cycle unless its a real emergency. this is just my opinion and i understand the other side of the argument.

but basically, if i was bob i would never work under sunil gulati again, and i think it is unlikely that he would take that job if offered. tbh, he can probably do more to further american football by having success on the european club scene, because that would really help our global reputation.

dikranovich said...

Dany..... We are not currently in the middle of a cycle, we are still in the early stages of the 18 cycle. Bob Bradley could no better further the cause than to lead the national team to World Cup victory. Still speaking in riddles!

Tom said...

dik, Dany may be saying (and I'm not straining in any way to interpret what he's written, as it is very clear) that Bob Bradley got jerked around inappropriately b/c he *was* fired in the middle of a cycle when the team was in no way in real disarray and therefore would hold a grudge against USSF in the person of Gulati.

NOT that we are in the middle of a cycle now.

dikranovich said...

Tom, if we are not in the middle of a cycle now, how could we have been in the middle of a cycle at this time, four years ago?

I mean come on with the BS, does Michael Bradley look or play like he is holding a grudge against US Soccer and gulati?

U.S. Soccer does need more checks and balances, for sure, from the top, all the way down here to blog world.

Tom said...

Dik,
Michael Bradley didn't get fired, and Dany was talking about Bob, not Michael.

And all I was doing was writing that Dany's message was in no way cryptic.

That said, I think we ought not to have signed Bob Bradley to an extension and then fired him less than a year later. That was a stupid piece of business and offensive.

justinwkoehn said...

It did seem knee-jerk. I agree that Bob would probably not come back unless someone else is running USSF.

Matt said...

Danny is on the money: Bob's not coming back under Gulati and, I am totally fine with that. I'd rather see him work his way up the coaching ranks in Europe. That will do more for us than bringing him back as USMNT coach. If we were going to go American, I'd rather see it go to Kreis anyway.

Dany Tzvi said...

the only thing i will clarify... i said "american football" when i meant to say "american soccer". i strongly defend our right as americans to say soccer, but i've been in kosovo for the past week and I have grown accustomed to saying "football" :p

dikranovich said...

Let me clarify as well. If bob Bradley is willing to coach the Egyptian national team, he will then be will to always coach the U.S. National team, and all you ladies can bank on that.

Dany Tzvi said...

its egypt not frikin mars. he was living in a mansion in a gated community full of english speakers on the outskirts of cairo.

Freegle said...

and they treated him with respect and dignity. I'm not sure dik thinks that Bob has so little self respect that he would simply bow to Sunil Gulati.