Wednesday, August 19, 2015

Gyasi Posse

I posted this report at MLSS some hours ago, and it is already out of date. Why? Well, because I can now confirm that Reading have put an offer for Gyasi Zardes on the L.A. Galaxy table. Stay tuned, there could well be more bids to sort through before this one is done.




- Greg Seltzer

26 comments:

justinwkoehn said...

No way. Then Zardes's grandma won't know which one is her grandson!

DaM said...

Assuming BJIV hasn't changed his hair style....

On a serious note, not sure I like this move. He has grown exponentially with LA. Not saying I don't ever want him to leave but I'm not sure the 2nd division in england does us any good. Granted Reading could get promoted, but I am just not really excited by this move. We can sit here and argue about which league is better, but it seems clear that either way it's not a big step up, if it's a step up at all.

Rather see him go some place that will grow his offensive acumen rather than some place that will challenge him physically more than anything else.

Dr.Jon said...

You could argue that league 2 in England with its fast, physical and less technical play is fairly similar to Concacaf, so it isn't that bad.

UnitedDemon said...

I'm with Dam. I think he's developing very nicely in LA, and a move to Reading isn't worth it. Hope he waits for a better opportunity.

gonavy said...

Perhaps a better move would be to a Liga MX top tier team. That could serve him well as USMNT begins their WC run in CONCACAF.

Dany Tzvi said...

well, i for one think this would be a good move. you learn most from playing the game. galaxy might develop players better than reading, but the championship will develop players better than MLS. it's a big step up.

Adam Snavely said...

People talking like they're expecting Man City to call Zardes up.

Frankly, I'm shocked he's wanted in the Championship. I don't think he'll produce there; his touch isn't good enough and he won't be surrounded by great, imaginative players. He's still improving, yes, but his touch and finishing need another facelift if he's going to produce in England.

Think I'd actually be happier to see him in Belgium. Get acclimated to the European game in a league that isn't such a grind.

DaM said...

@Danny Will the championship develop better players than MLS? I don't pretend to have any real way of judging that, but I would be really interested in seeing some kind of analysis of that. I'd be wary of using something simple like transfer figures as a measure as that will reflect institutional bias and things like worker's permits. I don't know. MLS has fielded some pretty competitve USMNT's over the last couple years. I'm not convinced you find many players as good as or better than current top end players in MLS like Keane/Villa/Gio ... or MB, JJ etc.

I agree with Adam S.... get him somewhere that will continue to develop his first touch and he could be a really special offensive talent.

dikranovich said...

Sometimes we can have this coddling mentality, about where a guy should go to develop, when the truth is that players don't move to different teams to develop. They develop in the youth ranks, in academy's and such. At this point, GZ has to really be looking to hone his skills on his own. Yes a coach, or coaches can help with this.

The biggest value in a reading deal is that he gets to partner with who also could potentially be a fellow two cycle national teamer in Danny Williams. If these guys help push the royals into the epl, that is about as big as it gets, and if they do it over the next season or two, before Russia, it's like a multiplier bonus.

Andy Palmer said...

@DaM. More players get pulled from the English Championship into the English Premier League than from any other league in the world. MLS has more stars that the Championship, but the player quality throughout the squad is better in the Championship. I'd give the Championship an edge in coaching, too.

justinwkoehn said...

I'd have to agree with Andy. The argument of "MLS has better current top end players" doesn't address the question of which league is better for development. Just because there's 30 or so DPs, most of whom are at the end of their career, doesn't mean that the level of competition or the coaching is conducive to player development.

Dany Tzvi said...

andy and justin have it pegged.

the argument about MLS putting good players into the USMNT has the same flaw: its just a few players, not representative of the whole league.

technically, talking about player development, there are two types of motivating challenges for a player (i didn't make this up, i've only studied it)
a) motivation for the player to help his team win. this is caused by strength of opposition
b) motivation for the player to get as much playing time as possible. this is caused by depth of the player's squad

MLS does not have deep squads. zardes can show up to training, pick his nose, eat a tangelo, and then show up and start on the weekend. if he goes to reading, he's gonna have to fight for minutes, even if he is expected to be a starter. way more than at galaxy.

genk would also be a good move, imo reading better, but both options are much better than MLS

UnitedDemon said...

Anyone who thinks the Championship is a better idea than starting game in, game out in MLS is a wrong.

Here's why.

Take Jozy Altidore. Plays really well for the national team while playing game in and game out for AZ. Doesn't do as well for the national team when he's forced to play in a league that doesn't play to his strengths.

Bottom line, Zardes is succeeding very well in THIS LEAGue, and getting better playing time than he would in the Championship. Anyone who thinks his touch is awful isn't seeing the forest from the trees that is Zardes' skill set.

Zardes is growing exponentially playing with more talented players than he would in the Championship. He is learning from his mistakes at a fast rate. Going to the Championship would force him to play different opponents, not necessarily better ones.

When I say that he should stick in MLS till he gets a better offer, I'm not talking about Man City. That's hyperbole, and straw man to boot. He should wait until a reasonably good team pays more money for him. Him slaving away in the Championship and not necessarily getting as much playing time, and not necessarily getting the same exposure to great players (Gerrard is a great player, Keane is a great player, even if they're aging). I want Zardes to become the player he was meant to become, and I think he acheives that by playing every game and learning what makes goals.

Bear in mind, this comes from a DC fan, who would like nothing better than to see LA lose its cheapest player for his value, forcing Arena to replace him with a less talented option. But I'm a USMNT team fan first. Zardes stays till some team in a top flight makes a reasonable offer for him that will force them to play him more, and against more talented opposition.

Here endeth the opinion.

justinwkoehn said...

Jozy's most productive spell for the USMNT was during the off season, while transitioning from AZ to Sunderland in the summer of 2013. His second most productive year was in 2009, while he was on loan at Hull. I just don't buy this argument.

I haven't seen anything here that would conclude that the Championship would stunt his growth.

UnitedDemon said...

I didn't say stunt.

I said he is growing Really fast right now. Why mess with it? I'd much rather he learned how to play soccer where he is with whom he's playing and with Arena in his ear, than at some lesser level Championship team.

And Jozy's best run of form was undeniably when he was banging them in for AZ, and had confidence.

Dany Tzvi said...

well if hes not gonna be able to get playing time, of course its a stupid move, but if hes gonna be starting roughly 60% of the games and coming off the bench another 20% id say its worth it

JustinV said...

No way will he develop as well in Championship as he has with LAG, but if the money is better he probably should go.

One the most noticeable developments in GZs game has been his movement off the ball. It's pretty obvious that Robbie Keane has been a huge influence in this area and to a lesser degree Donovan. Robbie Keane is a master at making runs , its one of the reasons he's still so effective even while slowing down.

With a Championship side, noones going to take him under their wing and teach him. He's going to have to make it with what he has now and he's going to have to be noticeablly better than an Englishman he's competing with for playing time. Look at all the BS Dempsy went through at Fulham to be a starter. He was significantly better than his competition and he still struggled for PT for the first few years. I don't know if you can say that made Deuce a better player, he was already a fierce competitor and uniquely talented player. He may have been better earlier if hadn't spent time on the bench behind lesser talent. He got better by playing against top talent as a starter. Winning playing time doesn't make you as good as playing time does.

And I'm not sold that the level of defenders he would face in the Championship are better than MLS. Tim Ream is one of the best centerbacks in the Championship and he would be about the same in MLS.

UnitedDemon said...

I TOTALLY agree with JustinV.

Dr.Jon said...

We haven't heard a peep about Yedlin since that Norwich chatter...anything we are missing?

Unknown said...

This would be a good test for Zardes.

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Dany Tzvi said...

tim ream doesnt play CB in the champ, he has played FB almost the entire time. they moved him to FB because hes not good enough defensively to play CB in the championship...

Greg Seltzer said...

Not sure how you define "almost the entire time" by percentage, but Ream has played a boatload of CB games for Bolton, including 10 last season and 15 the season before that (a ka his two POTY seasons). He was moved around there due to team need, not because he was poor anywhere.

JustinV said...

I should have said "one of the best defenders", but it still holds true and even more so because Gyasi is just as likely to be on the wing as in the center of the pitch, if not more so.

Greg Seltzer said...

I have arrived at the conclusion that I would prefer to see Zardes play in Belgium.

@ Dr. Jon:

All I know is he shines in training, I keep hearing he is close, he gets named to the provisional, does not get in the games and the team looks dreary. Something has to give, one way or the other.

Greg Seltzer said...

Well... not *all* I know.

Dr.Jon said...

@Greg - indeed they look dreary, hopefully they take a chance - one way or the other, loan or play.