Monday, February 22, 2016

Moving Left Along

In my mind, this one kinda writes itself up at this point.

John Anthony Brooks
Matt Besler
Clarence Goodson


Thinking through Copa, this stable is experienced enough to keep very lean at this time. Brooks has been excellent, as well as steadier. Meanwhile, Besler has become prone to shaky moments in a US shirt. I remain confused as to why Goodson was completely banished.



- Greg Seltzer

18 comments:

dikranovich said...

This pair, Brooks and gonzo, started the panama third place game. 6'5 and 6'3 is a tall pair of center backs. None of the leading teams in any of the big four leagues feature two center halves this tall. Even the leaders in holland have two centers backs shorter than 6'3.

Come on, do you guys really believe that this height of our center backs is not going to be a problem? We all know who the d mid is going to be. This is candle stacking at its most egregious.

Greg Seltzer said...

Right. In a meaningless game for a dejected team when the entire line-up looked awful in a completely ill-suited 4-4-2 diamond, yet still only gave up one goal in 120 minutes. Funny thing is, I don't make my selections based on height or any other single arbitrary factor, nor do I work backwards from what I wish it to be and then find (read: misconstrue) evidence to support my whim. But we all have your take now, so there is no need to repeat this point ad nauseum.

Dany Tzvi said...

goodson's been great for the quakes the past 18 months. i agree its strange he hasn't been looked at. another factor to consider is that with the quakes adding Andres Imperiale it looks like Goodson will start the MLS year off at RCB, but that could change.

dikranovich said...

you are right Greg, the team was definitely dejected. I guess like all sports, soccer is a game of match ups. We know our opponents for copa America. Do you really think. These tall center backs are the best pair, to take on the likes of James, and Joel Campbell? Is this height issue really so arbitrary? We know the d mid, dear lord, I hope hometown hero is not going to be in the top spot on the left.

Too tall, too slow, no balance

More explanation is needed for me. More discussion please....

Conor Harrison said...

Emmanuel Lewis and mugsey bogues for centerback

Greg Seltzer said...

Too tall. How about Ant-Man and playing card?

DaM said...

@greg good point on clarence goodson, he's kind of slipped out of my memory but that's probably because he is so tall.

JJO said...

This height "debate" is really making me giggle. Brooks is plenty quick enough to handle the speedy attacks of Bayern, 'Gladbach, Dortmund, Wolfsburg et al but will somehow crumble against Latin American teams because of his height or because the guy next to him is a couple inches taller? And Gonzo is looking back to his best -- playing in Mexico against all these shorties! This is absurd.

Also, how tall are Sergio Busquets, Nemanja Matic, David Luiz, Thiago Motta, Paul Pogba compared to Geoff Cameron?

dikranovich said...

Jjo Let me go grab my conversion chart cm to inches, and I'll explain.

dikranovich said...

Jjo, bus quiet is 6'2, but macherano is not taller than he, nor are the other barca center halves. David Luiz is 6-2, motta is 6'2, but freakshow, Thiago silva is 6'0 for PSG. Chilini at juve is 6'1. You are just not going to find this type of candle stacking on any top teams. Brooks is the tallest center back on his German team, and I'm sure Gonzales is the tallest on his Mexican team

It's not like tall players don't have range, because they do.. Geoff Cameron has nice range on the pitch. Brooks is quick, for a big guy. On one hand people want to say, let's get our best players on the field, but on the other hand, people might say, let's get the players on the pitch who work best together. Show me the coach who says two tall center backs work well together, but you will not, because you can't. And that because they don't say that. what they say is just the opposite. They say, give me two center backs who can compliment each other.

Greg Seltzer said...

Only I'm not picking them because they're the tallest. You are the one bitching about their height, no one else brought it up. And nobody else is confused about the fact that Brooks is not the typical "tall center back" - he's a mobile defender that happens to be tall. And an excellent passer. And other things that have nothing to do with his height.

dikranovich said...

Jjo, just look at th quentiessential center back pairings of the last twenty years. Cannavaro 5'9, Nesta 6'1.

Pique is tall at 6'3, but pyuol is 5'10.

Can these tall guys click and all work well together? It is conceivable, but it might be more favorable that they have trouble with smaller quicker players. this on a team that has made the edict of trying to play the ball on the ground

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Freegle said...

It's always an adventure to find out what arbitrary/imaginary "problem" Dik is going to harp on and annoy everyone with. You make these arguments based on arbitrary (or just flat out incorrect) points, back them up with examples so incongruous they are irrelevant, and then dodge actually having a discussion by deflecting. That said, I have so many questions for you Dik...

1) Where is the line that you've chosen for the "correct" height of a CB pairing? Is it based on combined height of both? Does one CB have to be over the line and one under it? Can they both be the same height if they are right at the line or does there have to be a tall CB and a short CB?

2) When Robert Huth sees Theo Walcott or Sergio Aguero coming in his zone, does he try to switch with Wes Morgan because he's too tall? 6'4" and 6'2" CB pairing doesn't seem to hurt Leicester too much. Nor West Ham for that matter, who rotate in 4 different 6'3" CBs. And none of the CBs for either of those teams has the mobility of Brooks.

3) Do you have any other legit reason besides "they are both tall" that Brooks and Gonzo doesn't work or is that your entire basis for dissent?

4) Most importantly... which of our two best current defenders (by a fair margin currently between being in season AND in form) would you want to replace? Also, which midget (sorry, I know that's insensitive) would you replace them with?

Thanks

dikranovich said...

Freegle:

1.in my head. You know it's not. No. Yes, or no.

2.ive got 185 cm for Wes Morgan, that's 6'06, let's raise it up to 6'1, but no he doesn't.

3.yes, I'm foreshadowing that the d- mid is also going to have a high center of gravity, and coupled with a pair of tall center backs, this will not be a strong combination against teams that move the ball around on the ground, and are fast like little jitter bugs.

4. I could probably live with a Cameron Brooks pairing, that would work better than Brooks Alvarado did this past summer, and I'm sure you know I'd love to see a Cameron Brooks besler three man backline. You put Bradley and a gritty destroyer in from of that, and we are going to see something special. Honestly, there are many combination within the U.S. Player pool that can work, and that is a very good thing.

downintexas said...

I think Goodson has been banished due to his appearance on International House Hunters. If he was really dedicated to soccer he would have been training. Actions speak loudly for JK.

DaM said...

@greg that's what i love about the future of a Brooks/Miazga CB pairing. Neither of those guys are in the tall tower mode of defense. Both are good in the air but you can see top end agility for their size in the movement and direction shifts. Well, most people can.

Fennel said...

downintexas,

Goodson was fairly solid for most of his USMNT career but he is 33 now and all good things come to an end.

If he was left off the Brazil WC team to give Brooks some much needed experience I’m okay with that.

I have a hard time thinking the 2014 World Cup would have gone any differently had Clay been on the roster. Goodson might have scored the goal Brooks did but we will never know. I’m not a great fan of hypotheticals.

Clay wasn't a great USMNT player but he wasn't a bad one either. In other words nothing special, and I've been a fan of his since he was a Terp.