Tuesday, March 29, 2016

Your US Under-23 Line-Up v Colombia





- Greg Seltzer

17 comments:

dikranovich said...

Part of the USA style is to make a short pass followed by a long pass, or vice versa, and we are not seeing that with the U/23s. That little change up can make the difference. Good high pressure, weak defense from the eridivise defender. Eric miller is the new Eric lichaj.

DaM said...

this lineup looks like a klinsi special. out of position fullback? check! central midfielder playing outside midfield? check! two defensive midfielders playing outnumbered in midfield? check! ceding 70% of possession? check!

dikranovich said...

Dam, how many times are you going to use this klinsi special line? But since it worked out so well for you last game, maybe we should welcome it.

DaM said...

last game? you mean tonight's game against guatemala? what i said was "At least the formation makes sense and people are only slightly playing out of position." bad troll makes things up, news at 11.

dikranovich said...

Well, you also said you're pretty sure coach klinsmann throws names against the wall, and you were quizzical about the coach starting a player he didn't call in originally. Listing to ale Moreno reminds me of what kind of fan you are.

DaM said...

thats funny, was just thinking about how much i hate moreno. yes... it makes no sense that if a coach for 2 important qualifiers thinks one player is good enough to start a match... and didn't even called him in for the first match. how does that not strike you as something that is pretty freaking quizzical. i dare say jurgen klinsman is the only manager to do that in this world cup qualifying run for any reason other than injury or suspension. it's pretty damn rare and the fact that you don't understand it being confusing to someone leads me to believe that you may be mentally challenged. i should stop pointing out your mistakes. it's kind of cruel.

and for what it's worth other than stealing a goal off dempsey's foot zusi was below replacement level at best. plenty of turn overs in the run of play and the set pieces he took were atrocious. hit the wall without jumping and air mailed a corner out the far side. and the team STILL looked better than if it had played a bunch of players out of position in a bad formation.

i clearly stated they would win and lord knows i have been a vocal advocate for cameron in the middle and yedlin at rb. you know? playing players in their positions? and i know you know this because you constantly disagree with everything i say. i clearly stated anyone but orozco should be playing. i clearly stated they should be in a 4-3-3 not this 4-4-2 bush league shit. all lessons that herzog learned tonight.

troll.

dwc414141 said...

Of course I wanted the US to win and go to the Olympics, but the better team won. Colombia clearly outplayed the US in both games. Proud of the lads,they played hard. Maybe in 4 years ...

Patrick said...

In fairness to Klinsi, Zusi was an injury replacement. Take your pick of Bedoya or FabJo. I thought Zusi did well, like all the US players, better than the last time they played.

The Ref in the Colombia game was atrocious and capricious. Weird listening to a ESPN broadcast (U23game) and here a pro-Colombia color guy. Also. Typical USSoccer travesty of playing that game in Texas instead of Denver or Foxboro.


Adrian said...

The game vs Colombia should have been played in Anchorage. Maybe then we'd have had a shot, if Yedlin, Green, Pulisic and Brooks were all healthy and playing for them.

I had to turn it off around minute 80' when it became obvious that they were going to lose, Colombia started falling down to kill the clock, and Moreno started talking about how more American players needed to start cheating to show how smart they are.

DaM said...

@Patrick Yes, Zusi was KIND OF an injury replacement. And then started the next match. Makes no sense. If he started out 2nd in line for a starting position you would think a manager planning ahead would have him on the roster just in case. What if Bedoya got injured the day before (fabjo was already out)?

Agreed Columbia ref was awful. The 2nd yellow on Gil was absolutely silly. Luckily we got to hear moreno defend the ref because diving and rolling around faking injuries is part of the game. If you are a scrub like ale moreno.

Dany Tzvi said...

alejandro moreno is venezuelan. he's not pro-colombia. he wasnt encouraging the time-wasting, he was just saying "everybody does it, get used to it" which is true: americans complain about time-wasting more than any other country. it's part of the game, sadly. we've have been complaining about it for decades but its not gonna change overnight lol.

agree the game shouldnt have been in texas.

irmatov is objectively one of the best officials in the world. i thought he called a good game. the only call he seriously missed was extremely beneficial to the US: Tim Parker absolutely should have been red carded. Gil deserved red (a retaliation in dissent = yellow, his second), Miazga obviously deserved red (DOGSO, no choice for the official, really), he pestered the colombians to get up when they were on the floor and he gave a couple yellows for timewasting. couldve given more stoppage time but it wasn't gonna make a difference.

the US team played hard, but not smart. completely lose their cool. usually other countries throw temper tantrums more than we do because our players are fully socially developed adults who've been through high school and college, not kids who've been in football academies since 4 years old. that dynamic is changing though, the rest of the world is catching up, it's a small advantage we had that we're gonna lose in the next 20 years.

DaM said...

@Danny that is entirely incorrect. Re-listen to what Ale says. He even says at one point "But I am probably the wrong person to talk to about the... strategic embellishments as I did them a lot myself." He expressly advocated them getting smarter about using them. He says similar things repeatedly. There was no room for misinterpretation there whatsoever. Not surprising, because as Ale himself points out, this is what he was known for in his career, even more so than pescadito... and he got the freaking name for it.

Gil didn't touch the guy. Forget about retaliating. He turns quickly and the guy crumples. Terrible call. Parker should have been red carded. As should the columbian who did the same thing in the first half. Wasn't even yellow carded.

I didn't say the ref was biased. I said he was awful.

DaM said...

(and yes miazga deserved red that he got, but would he have been in that position if the ref had any control of the match?)


sorry i get his reputation was good, he had an absolute stinker. missed at least 2 red cards and gave out 1 undeservedly. he let way too much go in the first half and paid for it later.

Patrick said...

Yes, the ref want biased but was terrible. Stuff was let go that should have been carded, stuff was carded that should have been play on our a foul. A red card was given in a decisive game for no contact. No matter your reputation or the rest of the game, that is terrible. Venezuela or not, the ref should not have been from COMNEBOL or CONCACAF to be fair.

As to specific US problems, Morris had zero hold up game. He is no help as the lone striker.

On more positive news, the US U17 team won an international tournament this weekend.

Dany Tzvi said...

gil's foul wasn't a red, but it was a yellow and he already had a yellow. gil didnt like a call on the previous play, he's yelling in irmatov's face, chewing him out, easily could have been given a second yellow for dissent in that instance. then he immediately goes and charges the player the next time the ball's near him. that's a yellow card every. single. time. you cannot express your discontent with a call by fouling someone. every ref in the world is gonna give you a yellow for that.

the foul was exaggerated greatly, yes, but this goes back to moreno's point of expecting it. if you're a colombian player, you see a guy with a yellow just screaming at the ref and then he's charging at you, of course you sell the contact. if gil stops to think for a second, he knows the ref is watching him, he knows hes on a yellow, he knows the colombian is gonna jump and scream, and still he goes in hard.

i will also point out that, by the letter of the law, making contact is not necessary for a foul. you don't have to touch the guy, you simply have to go in hard enough, and if you are deemed to be going in with any kind of recklessness or violence, you will be booked. it's entirely possible that there was zero contact, and maybe the colombian shouldve been given a yellow for simulation, but theres no doubt in my mind it was a yellow card offense from gil. before he even made the tackle, the way he's approaching the colombian, in my head im like "lol, his night is over".

what does Miazga's red have to do with losing control of the game? miazga's tackle wasnt violent, it was a DOGSO. that has nothing to do with the state of the match.

patrick: alejandro moreno, the ESPN commentator, is from venezuela. the match official, irmatov, is from uzbekistan.

Dany Tzvi said...

here, have some laws

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Foulsandmisconduct.svg/800px-Foulsandmisconduct.svg.png

Patrick said...

Sorry, in a knockout game of that importance, you cannot send a player off for approaching another player. You can soon it anyway. A good ref will also be looking for it and will use his assistants.

Even if you can explain away the Gil call because of bad manners (never seen a player sent off without there being contact for the second card), the ref still missed several elbows that weren't carded or called and several other potential straight reds fit both sides. Terrible officiating, end of story.