Tuesday, April 12, 2016

Feast your eyes on this.

If you haven't had the chance to see what the Christian Pulisic fuss is about, today's your day. The Borussia Dortmund prodigy started their weekend derby against Schalke and caused a good bit of trouble in his 73 minutes of action. Check it.






- Greg Seltzer

28 comments:

Nick said...

So exciting. When I see people cautioning against hype train, I get it, but he's already way more polished (and accomplished for that matter) than anybody close to receiving label of "Next Big Thing" in American soccer.

Winger or CAM on the clipboard, Greg?

dikranovich said...

Pulisic is going to be playing on the wing for the forceable future. He can play on either wing, and his pace and energy, along with his youth make this a no brainer. He has some real defensive chops as well, and coach klinsmann as well as most other coaches are going to love these qualities. The future is looking real bright with Fabian Johnson and Christian pulisic playing on the same side of the pitch.

Tom said...

He really got after it there a few times. Nice.

Nick said...

dikranovich...Don't disagree about CAM vs Wing comment at this stage, but why are you thinking Pulisic on the same side as Johnson?

If you had Pulisic on the left, I would think that it would cover up some defensive issues that we might have there because attackers on his side would be so paranoid about getting forward (and agree, he's been a menace defensively anyway).

Moreover, you have Yedlin really starting to emerge as a legit right back so you can naturally push Johnson up the pitch on a permanent basis on the right.
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Finally, after the nearly 4 year dead zone we had in producing talented players outside of MB90 and Jozy, young guys are emerging.

dikranovich said...

Nick, Fabian is going to be playing wing back for the USA, either in a four man backline, or on the wing, as part of a formation that will be using a three man back line. Monchengladbach have been playing with a three man backline in recent games.

If USA is going to start an 18 or 19 year old, doesn't it make sense to pair this player with a savvy veteran such as Johnson? Yedlin will pair nicely with bedoya, or zardes, or maybe EF huff and puff.

Our national team has traditionally liked to switch up the point of attack by moving the RM to LM, and LM to RM. with our future lineups, you can see pulisic starting on the left and moving to the right during the game, and creating nightmare match ups for the other team, with he and yedlin attacking down the same flank.

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Patrick said...

I've seen Johnson on the left and right for BMg and I've seen Pulisic on both wings for Dortmund. I believe he played both sides in the U17 WC too. I'd put Johnson on the Left and Pulisic on the right with Nagbe in the middle in front of Cameron and Bradley in a 4-2-3-1. Woods on top, Yedlin, Besler, Brooks, and a LB in the back. Altidore and Dempsey off the bench if you need a goal.

Dany Tzvi said...

fabian at fullback. mix in the 6. screw it, put jozy at center back. #yolo

Bernardinho said...

^ Lol

dikranovich said...

Dany, mix telegraphs his passes to much to be a really effective 10. He can play the 8 role, but in order to do so, he really needs to learn to play the 6 role. Between learning from viera and pirlo, he should be able to pull this off. The US national team is more likely to have two 6s and a 10, as opposed to a 6, 8, and 10. The math favors mix learning better defense.

Dany, You like to be a little smart Alec, as if Fabian Johnson didn't excell last World Cup in a position that he is, and was pretty familiar with. I don't know, can you explain your point? FJ is versatile and has played wing as well as wingback, what's your fing problem? You know Jozy is not versatile enough to play center half, so what's your lame ass point? Please, give your words of wisdom

downintexas said...

We need to get Klinsmann out before he ruins Pulisic by making him a left back or some other random spot

Dany Tzvi said...

my point is we should play our best players in their best positions. the issue is not whether fabian can play fullback. the issue is the opportunity cost.

DaM said...

well played Dany, well played.

dikranovich said...

Dany, are you saying that since mix is not one of our best players, it is more ok to play him in a defensive mid role, than it is to play one of our top players at wingback?

Dany Tzvi said...

Yes

But in this example still not a good idea, for other reasons (i.e. mix is bad at the 6)

DaM said...

@dany you forgot the fact that Timmy always should have been an outfield player, he would have made a great successor to McBride at the 9.

dikranovich said...

so you just disregard the body of work to this point and proclaim that this player should play in that position, because you think that is his best position. Dany, I'm happy to wager you that come 2018, Fabian Johnson will be playing by and large, in a wingback position, for his club team, whichever club that may be. It's almost a certainty.

You take the synergy of a pulisic, backed up by Fabian Johnson, and that is a special mixture. I think we will know a lot more after this summer. Fabian is just not as effective in the U.S. Midfield as he is in a wingback position. You don't have to take my word for it, you. Can take Bertie vogts word. You don't have to accept his word either, obviously!!!

I think if your point is that our best players should play in the positions where they help the national team most, then Dany, you, and I are in agreement, regardless of what little man slings from the peanut gallery.

Greg Seltzer said...

It has already been statistically demonstrated to you that both Johnson and the USMNT fare better when he is on the wing. Furthermore, Diskerud has clearly played worlds better when used behind the strikers. Meanwhile, neither of these players is the topic of this post.

Dany Tzvi said...

i would respect klinsmann if he played footballers in their preferred positions

Patrick said...

Low started the last WC with Lahm at CM and four CBs across the back. I just don't think Low and Klinsi think FB is an important or specialist position. It was only an injury that put Lahm back at FB. Sometimes, US fans think Klinsi is the only manager that moves people around. Jill Ellis needed some injuries and suspensions to put Morgan Brian at the pivot. She is now the most important player on the team.

But Klinsi does get a little silly with it, no doubt. FabJo is our best AM and playing him in the back is a waste. It would be like Sky Blue FC playing O'Hara at RB (she does it for the USWNT but is too good in the NWSL to play there). Castillo was perfectly fine. Palmer-Brown, Antonee Robinson (he lost the whole season huh?), are coming. I think Vincent was over hyped. If Klinsi can pick a 6 replacement, there are guys who could convert.

If I was a mid behind Bradley on the depth chart, I'd be clamoring to play LB. If I was Bedoya, I would have been grateful for the chance to make WC18 as the Beckerman replacement. Now, he maybe wasn't prepared or just not up to it, by I'm sure he'd rather make the starting 11 then stay home or watch from the bench hoping someone gets hurt.

Dr.Jon said...

No hat tip to the old Dr Jon for the link? :)


FWIW Pusilic looked good for Dortmund, too
https://cdn.streamable.com/video/mp4/wwxr.mp4 (most of his touches)

April 11, 2016 at 9:29 PM

:)

OZ said...

Patrick,

Re positions.

It is not that they don't know soccer but most American sports fans, in general, seem more wedded to the idea of one player, one position.

Versatile players are "Utility players" a pejorative term. Most American sports fans frown on what they see as the Jack of All Trades Master of none.

Compare that to how most of the soccer world lauded the Dutch for their "total football" where really no one had a position, where Cruyff would be at right back for a while and then shift to center forward and left midfield.

Many of the all time greats like Cruyff, Pele, Di Stefano, Maradona, George Best, were guys who could play all over the field.

If you want a local spin, it was said Arena's biggest problem early on with Donovan was where to play him since he could have played anywhere.

In JK's case just go back to when he played for the German national team. His world cup winning team in 1990 started 4 central defenders and a left back famous for switching often between midfield and fullback and famous for scoring goals. And he was subbed out and replaced by another fullback/midfielder.

Obviously JK's experience's with versatile players is quite different from most of the people on this site.

Greg Seltzer said...

"Compare that to how most of the soccer world lauded the Dutch for their "total football" where really no one had a position, where Cruyff would be at right back for a while and then shift to center forward and left midfield."

This is not even slightly correct.


"Many of the all time greats like Cruyff, Pele, Di Stefano, Maradona, George Best, were guys who could play all over the field."

Huh?


"His world cup winning team in 1990 started 4 central defenders... "

They were playing a 5-3-2 with a sweeper, so only Berthold was out of position. And yet again, what the world champions may do is not comparable to what the USMNT can get away with.

dikranovich said...

Greg, you have been using this argument a lot lately, that the USA is not of the pedigree of this team or that team, and should not try to play like them. And it begs the question of, why are you so hot for the USA to become Dutch lite? According to you we can't do what Germany does, and play four center backs along the back line, but you think we can just start playing like the Dutch.

Can you really explain this rationale?

OZ said...

"This is not even slightly correct. "

Of course it is.

"Many of the all time greats like Cruyff, Pele, Di Stefano, Maradona, George Best, were guys who could play all over the field." Huh?"

Watch those guys play some time.

"His world cup winning team in 1990 started 4 central defenders... " "They were playing a 5-3-2 with a sweeper, so only Berthold was out of position. And yet again, what the world champions may do is not comparable to what the USMNT can get away with."

You are missing the point. Several.

It's not necessarily about a particular formation, it is mostly about personnel.

Even the best national teams may have positional holes they can only solve by improvising either tactically or by asking players to play somewhere they don't for their club.
The 1990 Germany played that formation because it fit what the personnel they had. Maybe the US has the personnel to play it maybe they don't, but the fact that Germany were world champions is irrelevant.

But right now no one knows what the US' best 11 (or 14 or 23) is likely to be for 2018.
So the experimentation continues.

The US is still being rebuilt for 2018 and this seems to be a very dynamic time for the emergence of new possibilities for the US' 2018 team.

Pulisic suddenly seems like a very credible lock for 2018. Six months ago no one credible was saying that.

Greg Seltzer said...

"Of course it is."

Ummm, no. Not even close.



"Watch those guys play some time."

Are you joking?



As for the rest, I'm not sure how one gets all these ideas. I literally can't agree with anything you've said in this comment, and am not in the mood re-argue the same points over and over.

Dr.Jon said...


http://www.tyw.bundesligalounge.com/2016/03/21/tactical-talking-points-dortmund-make-intelligent-changes/

Dortmund was doing all kinds of position swapping in the match today against Hamburg. Really fun team to watch.

OZ said...

Greg,

"As for the rest, I'm not sure how one gets all these ideas. I literally can't agree with anything you've said in this comment, and am not in the mood re-argue the same points over and over."

Gee, that's too bad.